Aaaanddd it just keeps going. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:07 PM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
> You can call Godwin's law if you want to, but I am going to draw a certain > parallel with history: > > A lot of people in Germany were convinced in their heart of hearts that > certain groups of people were destroying their country: Jews, Communists, > Slavs, Gypsies, etc. > > A lot of people in this country are now convinced in their heart of hearts > that certain groups of people are destroying their country: pedophiles, > communists, "elites", the gay agenda, Hispanic migrants, etc. > > The parallel is that they were utterly, factually wrong in both cases, but > in both cases they were so sure of their correctness that they were willing > to take drastic action. As long as people cling to their alternative set > of facts the logical conclusion will be that they have to take action to > stop the evil pedophile, communist, etc people who are destroying their > country. > > You're thinking they've blown off steam and it's over, and I hope you're > right, but I think it's just starting. > > > On 1/7/2021 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and > then obey my own Lent proclamation. > > My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: > We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. > Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... > Politics have protests. > 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. > > You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. > > To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building > like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building > is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much > free run of the place as a visitor. > > Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political > gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the > cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well > yesterday. > > In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” > because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media > tried to make the case that it was. > > The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. > And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers > would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed > all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. > > We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend > their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it > but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. > He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. > > So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get > themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching > for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So > the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. > > But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People > times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things > are measurable. Science B*tch. > > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > I shouldn't have used "BS". > > As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our > democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. > Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it > wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then > I care about Portland. > > Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, >> number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and >> compare the two by the numbers. >> >> Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to >> simple counting of participants times time. >> >> But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . >> >> Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. >> My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far >> earlier. >> >> >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> Chuck, >> >> I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The >> DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not >> expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and >> dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't >> have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but >> countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm >> fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best >> option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it >> up. >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to >>> remain civil to do so. >>> >>> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland >>> and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >>> >>> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >>> >>> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >>> >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> youre no fun dad >>> >>> Lent? >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch >>>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>> >>>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >>>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >>>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >>>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >>>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >>>> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how >>>>> I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>>>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>>>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>>>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>>>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>>>> being a fool. >>>>> >>>>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard >>>>> enough. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>>>> >>>>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an >>>>> election. it's a coup. >>>>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>>>> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >>>>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... >>>>> that is intolerable. >>>>> >>>>> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >>>>> >>>>> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a >>>>> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >>>>> >>>>> All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along >>>>> and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to >>>>> come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >>>>> >>>>> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >>>>> >>>>> “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the >>>>> purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to >>>>> inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to >>>>> reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are >>>>> being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to >>>>> repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of >>>>> probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil >>>>> oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even >>>>> destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if >>>>> you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended >>>>> to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple >>>>> >>>>> You arrogant asses, you've killed us! >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev >>>>>>> predicted it... Trump enabled it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go ahead and get off this list >>>>>>> Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... >>>>>>> This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said >>>>>>> it was going to be wild ... >>>>>>> So fuck them to hell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, >>>>>>>> unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the >>>>>>>> same. >>>>>>>> god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and >>>>>>>> historically >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> WTF...third world country tactics... >>>>>>>>> Insurrection... >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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