So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot
and then obey my own Lent proclamation.
My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines:
We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC.
Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building...
Politics have protests.
1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year.
You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy.
To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal
building like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The
capitol building is a public place. If you behave yourself you
normally have pretty much free run of the place as a visitor.
Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political
gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want
the cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty
well yesterday.
In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our
democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half
the news media tried to make the case that it was.
The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma
procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the
capitol, the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done
their job. If they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure
for the states to send new ones.
We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them
spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS
enabled/encouraged it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this
just made it more crap. He will become a worldwide pariah. That
will amuse me.
So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that
get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks
itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with
others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over.
But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People
times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these
things are measurable. Science B*tch.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
I shouldn't have used "BS".
As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of
our democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our
country. Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of
Portland and it wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more
about our democracy then I care about Portland.
Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]>
wrote:
I could argue number of people involved, number of days in
protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage
done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers.
Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no
“side” to simple counting of participants times time.
But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” .
Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary.
My comment came very late in the day, the political argument
started far earlier.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Chuck,
I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like
"The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the
Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and
take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think
you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm
(mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided
inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.
We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we
make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option
as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep
it up.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we
have to remain civil to do so.
The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the
Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give
and take.
Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.
No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either
side.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
youre no fun dad
Lent?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<[email protected]> wrote:
Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to
see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been
complaints.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that
almost no so-called news having anything to do with
politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it
comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright
dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate
their consumers into supporting a particular agenda.
Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be
done to fix it.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House
<[email protected]> wrote:
" a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top"
Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every
outlet on every station. It is even more the case
when the source is a politician or anyone with a
political agenda. This includes most of the people on
this list. Very few on either side can really
provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd
include myself in that group therefore I tend to just
delete or not reply to these group messages because it
only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long
term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream
media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to
help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is
anyone's opinion on this list
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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll
find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on
top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by
it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop
being a fool.
The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by
pretending hard enough.
On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote:
an election that is not conducted according to law
is not an election. it's a coup.
Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent,
verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's
not an "election".
Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and
physically threatened... that is intolerable.
hereistheevidence.com
<http://hereistheevidence.com> --- in case you
dare open your mind to truth
Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy,
who was probably a commie plant because he did a
great job discrediting 'his' message.
All that is left is communism or war. That was
the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and
people who escaped communist societies to come
warn us -- saw it or believed in it.
I'll sign off with this, because this is probably
The End:
“In my study of communist societies, I came to the
conclusion that the purpose of communist
propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to
inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less
it corresponded to reality the better. When people
are forced to remain silent when they are being
told the most obvious lies, or even worse when
they are forced to repeat the lies themselves,
they lose once and for all their sense of probity.
To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way
to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist
anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A
society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I
think if you examine political correctness, it has
the same effect and is intended to.” ~ Theodore
Dalrymple
You arrogant asses, you've killed us!
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]> wrote:
Did you just hear his tweeter video
bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted
it... Trump enabled it.
Go ahead and get off this list
Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans...
This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for
trial by combat, Trump said it was going
to be wild ...
So fuck them to hell.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
IKR, slides biden is demanding potus
go on national TV to quell it, unlike
during the biden obama administration
when he didnt demand the same. god
this is funny. sad they havent shot
more of these mopes today and historically
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime
Solorza <[email protected]> wrote:
WTF...third world country tactics...
Insurrection...
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