Most, if not all, VFDs have a speed ramp up that is programmable.  So you can 
set the starting amp limit to whatever you want within certain bounds.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fort Bliss lift station troubleshooting

No, AC motors don’t work that way.   Though you have the right idea, it’s just 
called a variable frequency drive.    Rectify the AC into DC, stick it in a big 
capacitor, and turn it back into AC at whatever frequency you want the motor to 
spin at.   Slowly ramp up the speed and it takes a lot less energy, at least in 
a pumping application.   Or really any application where starting the load 
moving doesn’t require a lot of breakaway torque.     

Mark



  On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote:

  I assume you cant just put a massive capacitor on it?

  On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:14 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    Exactly...that's what they messed with it.

    On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 5:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote:

      Systems I worked on like this had an alternator circuit that would make 
two main pumps take turns each operation.  

      I also worked on remote C.O. buildings that had dual HVAC systems.  After 
a power failure the generator would come on but it could not start both systems 
at the same time.  I had to put a cut out on one of the HVAC systems to kill it 
if there was a commercial power outage.

      Unless you work with large motors, you have no appreciation for starting 
loads.  

      From: Jaime Solorza 
      Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 5:02 PM
      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: [AFMUG] Fort Bliss lift station troubleshooting

      After going through the drawings and consulting with original design 
engineer on this project installed in 2007, we found one issue right away...the 
water company techs made some changes to try to get pump 3 and 4 to run 
simultaneously...kept tripping breaker.  
      The system was designed for 600amps maximum but when pump 3 starts up it 
goes above 600, drops and stays at around 204.x while working, then when they 
turn pump 4, it starts up above 600amps and trips breaker.
      The system was designed to work with pump 1, a smaller motor and pump 3 , 
and pump 2, same as 1, works with pump 4.
      On Monday, we will rewire to original design and make some changes to PLC 
programming and relays....they need some better level transmitter installed but 
that's another project.
      BTW, the enclosure is water tight and under a canopy for added protection.



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