UBNT US-8-60W is $109

VLAN tag each AP port.  Set up your downlink as a VLAN trunk.  Then each AP 
will have its own private channel back to your core/edge router.  
I am no VLAN expert by any means.  There are lots of experts here.  But this is 
the method I used literally 18 years ago when faced with this same problem.  I 
used a cisco managed switch that was built for wide temperature conditions.  
2900 or 2500 or something like that.  Worked like a champ.  

Are you sure the ubiquity switch you have at each tower does not support VLANs?

From: Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 6:23 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BNG dynamic provisioning Re: strange outage

We have in each tower a ubiquiti switch and one or two APs plus an uplink(to 
next tower towards the gateway) and a downlink(away from the gateway).  We 
don't have that many customers to support a huge investment.


Ok, looks like the advice is to replace the ubiquiti switches with ubiquiti 
routers?  I haven't seen in router setup any provision for BNG, maybe I'm 
missing something.  I'd never get management willing to replace a $100 switch 
with a $3,000 Cisco router, especially on a network where we wouldn't make that 
much ROI in several years (we have a board of directors who keep threatening to 
shut us down, they're mostly from last century and barely know how to use a 
cell-phone).  


Am I wrong in thinking we can configure an Edgerouter X to prevent these 
multicast storms we're having in our networks?  I'm loathe to use any natting, 
can I leave these in bridge-mode and get a solution to the problem?




On 6/18/21 5:24 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  Absolutely!   Glad to hear others are doing this - it’s what Amplex has been 
doing for years.   

  I get really tired of the ‘experts’ telling everyone there is only one 
‘right’ way to build a network, yet have never heard of this.

  Mark



    On Jun 18, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Carl Peterson <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    We use the same BNG for all our residential subs in a market.  GPON, Active 
Ethernet, and Fixed Wireless.  Some of the fixed wireless stuff requires a hack 
to run the CVLANS through another box to add the second tag but that's cheap 
and easy enough. A Netonix 6 mini hanging off a switch can do it with either 
0x88a8 or a second 0x8100 tag.  Cambium supports QinQ natively. 

    On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 2:36 PM D. Bernardi <[email protected]> wrote:


      Thanks.  This seems fairly common on GPON 
      networks as well so you could use this feature 
      for both GPON and Fixed Wireless on the same BGN.


      At 01:59 PM 6/18/2021, you wrote:
      >Juniper.  We have a MX5 in production and a 
      >MX204 I'm setting up right now to replace it. Â
      >Subscriber management is additional 
      >licensing.  Not sure if just dynamic interface 
      >creation requires subscriber management 
      >licensing.  I just looked on our production BNG 
      >and it isn't using subscriber-vlan. Â
      >
      >subscriber-accounting 
      >Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  1Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  1 Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  0Â  Â  
permanent
      >
      >Â  subscriber-authentication 
      >Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  0Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  1 Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  0Â  Â  permanent
      >
      >Â  subscriber-address-assignment 
      >Â  Â  Â  Â  1Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  1 Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  0Â  Â  permanent
      >
      >Â  subscriber-vlan 
      >Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  0Â  Â  Â  Â  Â 
      >Â  1 Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  0Â  Â  permanent
      >
      >Â 
      
><https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junose15.1/topics/concept/dynamic-interfaces-overview.html>https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junose15.1/topics/concept/dynamic-interfaces-overview.html
      >
      >On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 12:34 PM D. Bernardi 
      ><<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
      >At 12:35 PM 6/18/2021, Carl Peterson wrote:
      > >We've gone full circle - Flat to fully routed to
      > >MPLS/VPLS over a routed network back to
      > >flat.  You hit a scaling issue with routed
      > >networks as you hit 10G and above, especially if
      > >you aren't using Mikrotik or other  low cost
      > >routing.  Real carrier grade switching is a lot
      > >lower cost, lower power, and much easier to manage. Â
      > >
      > >Every customer has their own dedicated circuit
      > >(SVLAN.CVLAN).  The corresponding interface on
      > >the BNG is dynamically created for the
      > >subscriber with attributes out of radius.  Â
      > >Something like this isn't the right answer at
      > >100 customers but you should consider it or
      > >something like it once you go north of a few k subs.  Â
      >
      >
      >What are you using for the BNG and does it
      >require an additional license for dynamic interface creation?
      >
      >
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