Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** OT interesting graphic

Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:40:47 -0700

I would bet that fusion won't happen until after I die, but I wouldn't be able to collect on the bet.


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On 7/12/2021 10:36 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Thats what I was thinking, this is a big MFer for a theoretical build. but the scale of it will make any shortcomings more visible for the next iteration. I just hope everybody used the metric system

But in the end, if they can get it to produce more than consumed its amazing.

Its amazing either way


until it wont shut off and we become another sun in the solar system

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 12:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote:
They hope.  I actually worked on one of these reactors when I was in college.  Topolotron. 
When it didn’t work as expected the scientists went back through all the foundational equations.  They found one single sign either missing or reversed.  Once they fixed the math, it predicted the outcome correctly.  No excess energy...
 
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theyre building it now
i read this a while back and was like "whatchu talkin bout willis". I really thought we were way away, not building it
 
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 11:52 AM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote:
I have heard of break even fusion within the next 30 years for the past 50 years. 
 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 10:38 AM
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Im all about these new generation reactors that use the spent fuel from prior generation reactors. people get too scared of nuclear waste because of movies and CNN. 
Apparently theres a massive fusion reactor that is being built, I thought that was still all theoretical.
Almost everyone around our landfill has developed some form of cancer or another. But we also have a ton of undocumented abandoned coal mines under us that were used as garbage dumps. I dont know how a statistician could identify whether its the landfill, the coalmine, the garbage in the coal mines, or the chemtrails that caused it.
 
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 9:48 AM Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:

The USA used to burn about a billion tons of coal per year.  Now down to about a half billion tons.

About 10-12% of that tonnage is left behind as ash and slag which then go into a landfill.  That waste is slightly radioactive and contains a variety of metals which were incidentally mined along with the coal (mercury, cadmium, arsenic, among others).  The clay lining of the landfill doesn't last forever....they all end up leaking some. 

That doesn't count the waste produced from mining, crushing, and washing the coal.  All of which produce toxic waste which also goes into a landfill.

People fuss and wring their hands that we don't have a perfect way to handle nuclear waste, but nobody seems overly bothered that we don't have a perfect way to handle the coal waste that we've already been making for 200 years. 

You're not particularly likely to be harmed by either properly handled coal or fission waste, the coal waste is the more likely one to impact you:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/

And air pollution from fission is almost non-existent.  We keep waiting for the perfect energy solution instead of adopting the dramatically better one that we already have available.  We're pretty irrational about this whole topic IMO.

 

On 7/9/2021 4:22 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Pretty sure coal mining accidents plus black lung add up to more than anything else on the chart.
Coal fly ash is more radioactive than any other radioactive thing released as far as curies released. 
 
Not sure how you calculate air pollution.  Also not sure how you quantify ultimate deaths from Chernobyl.  Those numbers range from the 31 people that actually died at the time to 50 ultimate deaths.  But other calculate it as high as 900,000  Most of the firefighters and other responders are either still living or lived a natural lifespan. 
 
Still nuclear doesn’t touch coal. 
 
 
My favorite story is the apartment building in Taiwan that was constructed using radioactive rebar. 
People bathed by high radiation for years had only 3% of the expected cancer. 
 
 
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 2:02 PM
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I'd rather see the deaths by accident alone. "Air pollution" seems like it could be a fuzzy number.
 
On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 1:19 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote:
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