I would call Luigi (we're on a first name basis, you know?) is more of a
nihilistic violent extremist.
bp
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On 9/18/2025 1:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I’m surprised nobody has invoked Luigi Mangione. He apparently has
quite a following, with people camping out for 2 days to get a seat at
his trial. Like even Manson had his groupies.
The term “vigilante justice” seems to better encompass some of the
violent acts we’ve seen, and people seem to encourage the idea that
vigilantism is now OK. But I guess some corporations (like the ones
that deny health insurance claims) are so hated that people on the
left and right both hate them. So is Mangione Antifa? Or more like
the Occupy Wall Street movement, remember that? I don’t remember them
shooting people though.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/16/unitedhealthcare-suspect-political-beliefs
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When I say antifa, I mean the masked bandits that set fire to police
stations in Portland etc.
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I think the problem is we deal so much now in code words and dog
whistles and the like.
So if you don’t like something or someone, you can label them with a
codeword like racist or antisemitic or woke or antifa, that has
absolutely no connection to what they did or what the word means, it’s
just a label to justify disliking them (or deporting them or killing
them).
So antifa literally means anti fascist, and I would agree, I hope most
people are against fascism, given 20th century history with it.
So maybe you mean the organization Antifa, but there is no such
organization. Maybe you mean uneducated pot smoking dirt poor
atheists? Maybe you mean left leaning degenerates who conspire on
Discord? I guess maybe when using a term in a non literal sense, you
need to supply your definition.
I still have never met someone who claimed to be a member of a formal
antifa organization. Well, except the Blues Brothers, who hated
Illinois Nazis and ran them off a bridge with the Bluesmobile.
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My brother does that all the time.....putting words in people's mouth.
Drives me nuts.
Me: <makes a statement about something>
Bro: "So you support pure evil?"
Me: .......
Alternate version: "By your logic, <something insane and unrelated to
my logic>."
He didn't say he supports fascism. And law enforcement or
intelligence agencies monitoring potential threats is not fascism.
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So you are in favor of fascism?
bp
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On 9/18/2025 10:33 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_ wrote:
They are being tracked on their signal and discourse channels. I
think our intelligence branch views them as an “organization”,
just decentralized without clear leader.
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What a lot of people fail to understand is that there is no
"antifa" organization. It's more of a philosophy (IMO). Sure, a
lot of marginalized people probably ascribe to the notion of antifa.
However, I would say that the majority of Americans are against
the idea of fascism.
Tell me you're in favor of fascism.
bp
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On 9/18/2025 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Is your sphere of influence real life people you know, or
online stuff? I honestly have never had a single person IRL
mention Antifa, much less belong to such an organization. And
Utah seems an unlikely place to have Antifa cells.
But Howard from Big Bang Theory reminds us you don’t need to
experience something to know you want it:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXcqDHEC0o
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXcqDHEC0o>_
Maybe you mean nihilism and not literally Antifa. There seems
to be a bumper crop of disaffected nihilists these days. Not
sure that fits neatly into a left/right political narrative.
More like there will always be people who think the world has
screwed them over and want to burn the whole thing down.
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Odd that the majority of the people in my sphere of influence
that are espousing the goodness of antifa are all uniformly:
uneducated, pot smoking, un churched, and in many cases with
minor criminal records, but all of them are as poor as dirt it
seems. Poverty is what drove the Russian revolution. Perhaps
that is the driver here.
I just cannot get behind the ideology. This is what Wikipedia
says:
*I**_deology
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_ideologies>_*
_Anti-fascism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism>_
_Anti-authoritarianism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-authoritarianism>_
_Anti-capitalism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-capitalism>_
_Anti-statism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-statism>_
_Anti-Trumpism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_Donald_Trump>_
_Anarchism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism>_
_Socialism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism>_
_Communism <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism>_
*_Political position
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum>_*
_Left-wing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics>_
*Major actions*
_Direct action <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action>_
_Community organizing
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_organizing>_
_Mutual aid <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_aid>_
_Harassment <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment>_
_Digital activism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_activism>_
_Doxing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing>_
_Picketing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picketing>_
_Political violence
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence>_
_Protest marching <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_march>_
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