I have learned that the facts are kinda squishy.
From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 7:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics (slow day, need my trolling fix, dopamine you know) Chatgpt is about as relevant as fact-free fox news. That's the problem in todays world, people just want to hear their own views coming back at them. They don't want to be informed with facts. On 9/18/25 15:05, Robert wrote: I actually read through the references before sending the email out. Chatgpt was just easier to copy the information. Yes chatgpt can be used IF you read it's references. I do understand that Chatgpt and the other LLM's straight out lie. Just ask them to draw you the control surfaces of a 737 if you want a good laugh. On 9/18/25 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Don't use ChatGPT (or Grok, etc) as evidence if you want any credibility. LLM's produce text which looks like what an answer to the question would look like, based on statistical analysis of similar queries and responses. In other words, they can help you find real sources, but they are not sources. They are not intelligent, and they don't know anything. _____ From: AF <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> on behalf of Robert <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 5:45 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics (slow day, need my trolling fix, dopamine you know) WELL CHUCK.... Capitals because someone I respect seems to be spreading poor information without doing much research.... DETAILS MATTER... specially if you are getting pretty close to yelling fire in a theater... Is there a difference between a union hall and a police station, YES, are they both building that the police use, YES. Is burning one worse than the other Yes and no. Did the building actually burn NO. Your response was so far below what I would expect from you, I have to either figure you are seriously stirring the pot for no good, or you just don't care anymore what people think of you. Chatgpt... I couldn’t find credible evidence that Antifa definitively burned a Portland police station. What I did find is more nuanced — there were fire-and-vandalism incidents in Portland during protests, sometimes targeting police or police union buildings, but no clear record of Antifa burning a full police station. Here’s a summary of what I found: _____ What does appear to be true * During the George Floyd protests in Portland (2020-2021), protesters broke into the Portland Police Association (PPA) building on North Lombard Street and set fire inside it. Some windows were smashed, security cameras damaged, and a dumpster was set ablaze among other acts. (Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland%2C_Oregon?utm_source=chatgpt.com> ) * These events are documented in multiple sources, including reports that the PPA (a police union building) was vandalized and partially burned. (Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland%2C_Oregon?utm_source=chatgpt.com> ) _____ What I didn’t find confirmed * I did not find credible, well-documented evidence that a full police precinct / station house was burned down or destroyed by Antifa (or protesters self-identifying as such). * Some reports, particularly from less reliable outlets or opinion/rumor sources, make claims like “BLM or Antifa protesters burned a police station,” but these are not substantiated in reputable news or official records. For example, a claim in the New York Post says protesters set a police station on fire. However, that article lacks verification from local fire or police department sources. (New York Post <https://nypost.com/2020/08/24/blm-protesters-set-portland-police-station-on-fire/?utm_source=chatgpt.com> ) _____ If you want, I can try tracking down any fire department or official records to see exactly what was burned and when — that might clarify whether “station house” means union building vs precinct vs administrative offices, etc. Do you want me to dig into that? On 9/18/25 3:20 PM, Chuck wrote: All the maskef antifas burning police stations proclamed they were antifa. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2025, at 2:59 PM, Robert <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: I guess I don't see anyone from Antifa telling comics that they have to get off the air. Actually I have not heard ONE single person declare themselves as antifa, but plenty of MAGA saying that someone was antifa because they didn't like the words coming out of their mouths. And then actually striking out against that person. Physically or politically... On 9/18/25 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: When Antifa says fascism, they just mean anything not on the extreme left. If they disagree with you, you are a fascist. There is no relevance to actual fascism like you think about from WW2, and in fact most of their "actions" are far closer to that fascism than anything the "right" is doing. On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 11:56 AM Bill Prince <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: What a lot of people fail to understand is that there is no "antifa" organization. It's more of a philosophy (IMO). Sure, a lot of marginalized people probably ascribe to the notion of antifa. However, I would say that the majority of Americans are against the idea of fascism. Tell me you're in favor of fascism. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/18/2025 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Is your sphere of influence real life people you know, or online stuff? I honestly have never had a single person IRL mention Antifa, much less belong to such an organization. And Utah seems an unlikely place to have Antifa cells. But Howard from Big Bang Theory reminds us you don’t need to experience something to know you want it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXcqDHEC0o Maybe you mean nihilism and not literally Antifa. There seems to be a bumper crop of disaffected nihilists these days. Not sure that fits neatly into a left/right political narrative. More like there will always be people who think the world has screwed them over and want to burn the whole thing down. From: AF <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 11:16 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Politics (slow day, need my trolling fix, dopamine you know) Odd that the majority of the people in my sphere of influence that are espousing the goodness of antifa are all uniformly: uneducated, pot smoking, un churched, and in many cases with minor criminal records, but all of them are as poor as dirt it seems. Poverty is what drove the Russian revolution. Perhaps that is the driver here. I just cannot get behind the ideology. 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