I have learned that the facts are kinda squishy.
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2025 7:22 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics (slow day, need my trolling fix,
dopamine you know)
Chatgpt is about as relevant as fact-free fox news. That's the
problem in todays world, people just want to hear their own views
coming back at them. They don't want to be informed with facts.
On 9/18/25 15:05, Robert wrote:
I actually read through the references before sending the email
out. Chatgpt was just easier to copy the information. Yes
chatgpt can be used IF you read it's references. I do understand
that Chatgpt and the other LLM's straight out lie. Just ask
them to draw you the control surfaces of a 737 if you want a good
laugh.
On 9/18/25 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Don't use ChatGPT (or Grok, etc) as evidence if you want any
credibility.
LLM's produce text which looks like what an answer to the
question would look like, based on statistical analysis of
similar queries and responses. In other words, they can help
you find real sources, but they are not sources. They are not
intelligent, and they don't know anything.
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<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
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WELL CHUCK.... Capitals because someone I respect seems to be
spreading poor information without doing much research....
DETAILS MATTER... specially if you are getting pretty close to
yelling fire in a theater... Is there a difference between a
union hall and a police station, YES, are they both building
that the police use, YES. Is burning one worse than the
other Yes and no. Did the building actually burn NO. Your
response was so far below what I would expect from you, I have
to either figure you are seriously stirring the pot for no
good, or you just don't care anymore what people think of you.
Chatgpt...
I couldn’t find credible evidence that /Antifa/ definitively
*burned a Portland police station*. What I did find is more
nuanced — there /were/ fire-and-vandalism incidents in
Portland during protests, sometimes targeting police or police
union buildings, but no clear record of Antifa burning a full
police station.
Here’s a summary of what I found:
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What /does/ appear to be true
·During the George Floyd protests in Portland (2020-2021),
protesters broke into the Portland Police Association (PPA)
building on North Lombard Street and set fire inside it. Some
windows were smashed, security cameras damaged, and a dumpster
was set ablaze among other acts. (Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland%2C_Oregon?utm_source=chatgpt.com>)
·These events are documented in multiple sources, including
reports that the PPA (a police union building) was vandalized
and partially burned. (Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland%2C_Oregon?utm_source=chatgpt.com>)
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What I /didn’t/ find confirmed
·I did *not* find credible, well-documented evidence that a
/full police precinct / station house/ was burned down or
destroyed by Antifa (or protesters self-identifying as such).
·Some reports, particularly from less reliable outlets or
opinion/rumor sources, make claims like “BLM or Antifa
protesters burned a police station,” but these are not
substantiated in reputable news or official records. For
example, a claim in the /New York Post/ says protesters set a
police station on fire. However, that article lacks
verification from local fire or police department sources.
(New York Post
<https://nypost.com/2020/08/24/blm-protesters-set-portland-police-station-on-fire/?utm_source=chatgpt.com>)
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If you want, I can try tracking down any fire department or
official records to see exactly what was burned and when —
that might clarify whether “station house” means union
building vs precinct vs administrative offices, etc. Do you
want me to dig into that?
On 9/18/25 3:20 PM, Chuck wrote:
All the maskef antifas burning police stations proclamed
they were antifa.
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On Sep 18, 2025, at 2:59 PM, Robert
<[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
I guess I don't see anyone from Antifa telling
comics that they have to get off the air. Actually I
have not heard ONE single person declare themselves as
antifa, but plenty of MAGA saying that someone was
antifa because they didn't like the words coming out
of their mouths. And then actually striking out
against that person. Physically or politically...
On 9/18/25 1:29 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
When Antifa says fascism, they just mean anything
not on the extreme left. If they disagree with
you, you are a fascist. There is no relevance to
actual fascism like you think about from WW2, and
in fact most of their "actions" are far closer to
that fascism than anything the "right" is doing.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 11:56 AM Bill Prince
<[email protected]> wrote:
What a lot of people fail to understand is
that there is no "antifa" organization. It's
more of a philosophy (IMO). Sure, a lot of
marginalized people probably ascribe to the
notion of antifa.
However, I would say that the majority of
Americans are against the idea of fascism.
Tell me you're in favor of fascism.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/18/2025 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Is your sphere of influence real life
people you know, or online stuff? I
honestly have never had a single person
IRL mention Antifa, much less belong to
such an organization. And Utah seems an
unlikely place to have Antifa cells.
But Howard from Big Bang Theory reminds us
you don’t need to experience something to
know you want it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXcqDHEC0o
Maybe you mean nihilism and not literally
Antifa. There seems to be a bumper crop
of disaffected nihilists these days. Not
sure that fits neatly into a left/right
political narrative. More like there will
always be people who think the world has
screwed them over and want to burn the
whole thing down.
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Politics (slow day,
need my trolling fix, dopamine you know)
Odd that the majority of the people in my
sphere of influence that are espousing the
goodness of antifa are all uniformly:
uneducated, pot smoking, un churched, and
in many cases with minor criminal records,
but all of them are as poor as dirt it
seems. Poverty is what drove the Russian
revolution. Perhaps that is the driver here.
I just cannot get behind the ideology.
This is what Wikipedia says:
*Ideology
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_ideologies>*
Anti-fascism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism>
Anti-authoritarianism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-authoritarianism>
Anti-capitalism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-capitalism>
Anti-statism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-statism>
Anti-Trumpism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_Donald_Trump>
Anarchism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism>
Socialism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism>
Communism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism>
*Political position
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum>*
Left-wing
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics>
*Major actions*
Direct action
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action>
Community organizing
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_organizing>
Mutual aid
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_aid>
Harassment
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment>
Digital activism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_activism>
Doxing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing>
Picketing
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picketing>
Political violence
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence>
Protest marching
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_march>
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