You remember the anti Goldwater commercial with the little girl picking the petals off a flower?
From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 19, 2025 7:54 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel and "jawboning" I kind of remember Jack Paar, but it looks like he was host of the Tonight Show from when I was 7 to 12 years old, and me and my sister were not supposed to be up that late. Sometimes we would play the trick of being really really quiet so our parents would forget we weren’t in bed. Saturday morning was kids TV. Cartoons but also stuff like Flash Gordon and Superman and The Lone Ranger. I definitely remember Ike, I think I had an I Like Ike button. I also remember having an AuH2O sticker on my bike. In college I remember painting pro-Reagan graffiti (actually it was a tradition to paint a certain big rock so it wasn’t exactly vandalism). But given my age, the biggest influence was probably JFK. It’s strange that we’ve gotten more partisan over time. For most people, after an election, the winner was “my President” even if you voted for the other guy. I mean, I didn’t particularly like Jimmy Carter or George W. Bush, but they were our President. (I argued with my parents about Nixon though, my mom loved Tricky Dick.) Also, until recently, to suggest that America wasn’t great and needed to be made great again would have been fighting words. People would say “America, love it or leave it”. BTW, if you’re the same age as me, listen to the Mary Chapin Carpenter song “Stones in the Road” and tell me you don’t get a tear in your eye. One of the verses is about the funeral train for RFK in 1968 not the earlier assassination of JFK but it’s the same era, and the lyrics are about how we get self absorbed and callous as we grow up. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, September 19, 2025 6:33 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel and "jawboning" Totally right. Criticizing the sitting president is a tradition that goes back all the way to good old George Washington. None of them liked it; it is part of the job. It's also a good way of taking the temperature of the citizenry. Why do I remember Jack Paar? Am I that much older than you? Next you're going to tell us you don't remember Dwight D. Eisenhower ("beware the military-industrial complex")? bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/19/2025 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Every late night host probably going back to Steve Allen and Jack Paar have made jokes at the expense of the sitting President in their monologue. It’s topical humor, and what’s more topical than what POTUS did today. Some Presidents appeared on their shows nonetheless, I remember Bill Clinton playing saxophone one time. But Donald Trump has no tolerance for humor at his expense, he still carries a huge grudge about jokes Obama told at a Washington Press Correspondents dinner. I also remember watching him on TV at the Al Smith dinner for Catholic charities, with the Cardinal sitting right there, roasting Hillary Clinton but he didn’t throw jabs as per custom, he threw punches. The man doesn’t understand humor, unless he is belittling foes with nicknames like “Little Marco” or “Gavin Newscum”. I saw this in my inbox today quoting David Letterman: The 78-year-old comic legend David Letterman arrived … carrying a list of presidents he’d mocked in his 33 years as the longest-running late-night comedy host in American history. Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama—he’d made fun of them all (especially, he added with a chuckle, Clinton and Bush II). “Beating up on these people, rightly or wrongly, accurately or perhaps inaccurately, in the name of comedy—not once were we squeezed by anyone from any governmental agency, let alone the dreaded FCC,” he said. He added, “The institution of the president of the United States ought to be bigger than a guy doing a talk show.” Letterman did admit Well, “I will say we probably went easy on Barack Obama because I kinda like the guy.” Also in my inbox today: “If Donald Trump's skin gets any thinner, the US will have its first translucent president.” I’m not old enough to remember Paar, but I certainly remember watching Carson and Letterman make fun of the current President every night. You’d think Trump would buy into the old marketing saying “there is no bad publicity”. Plus he’s the one who would call into radio shows pretending to be somebody else and plant stories about himself, so that he could be talked about. From: AF <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, September 19, 2025 4:07 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel and "jawboning" That is most definitely a matter of opinion. I think Colbert will find a new venue, and I did not know the clowns on the View were comedians; I thought they were just gossips. Sure it's about money, just like the pres. except he's not funny at all. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/19/2025 12:42 PM, David Hannum wrote: He's a comedian OK - He's a joke - same as Gutfield. Same as all the clowns on the VIEW. The real force behind this is revenue. Kimmel was marginal anymore. Once the backlash from his comments hit, he'd be a loss just like Colbert. It's all about the $$$$. On Fri, Sep 19, 2025 at 3:37 PM Bill Prince <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Kimmel is a friggin comedian for crying out loud. He made plenty of disparaging jokes about Biden. He probably makes more out of Trump and his goons because it is a much more target rich environment. The problem is that people take him seriously, when he's mainly trying to get a laugh. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/19/2025 12:20 PM, David Hannum wrote: This is where FOX News is smarter than ABC. They let Gutfield have his crap on cable where Carr or FCC can't get to them. Why should ABC allow Kimmel to do his crap on public airwaves? Do you think under Biden, any network would have been allowed to do the same towards him if there were a late-night donkey to do it? No - they pushed and got Trump banned from social media. There is even less justification for that than Kimmel. Public airwaves are owned as much by the conservative public as the liberal public. Why should alienating half the country on public airwaves be OK? Just asking . . . On Fri, Sep 19, 2025 at 2:33 PM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Sad that Carr is either such a cowardly sycophant butt kisser or so ignorant that he thinks he can yank a license without real justification. I mean if they were airing porn or something that is clearly prohibited, and had been given a chance to remedy the situation and didn’t, that is one thing. This isn’t the case. Only 3.5 more years of this experiment boys. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 19, 2025 6:42 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel and "jawboning" https://www.wired.com/story/brendan-carr-isnt-going-to-stop-until-someone-makes-him/ -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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