Trump at least has enough honesty to say he wants to shut down those that 
bother him.  While it seems very un American at least he is up front.  I find 
that  better than the Biden admin using the FBI to lean on FB & Twitter to 
delete content and kill accounts.  Both are a fascist’s tactic/maneuver.

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> On Sep 20, 2025, at 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m not sure it matters a whole lot whether some violent protestors or 
> hooligans are Antifa or not.  If they use “black bloc” techniques and arson, 
> maybe they are just some bad dudes.
>  
> What concerns me more is that everything lately is done by “the left” or “the 
> right”.  Not a particular person I can name, like this or that senator or my 
> neighbor Bob.  My observation was this used to be more common with the media 
> supporting DJT because he blames “the lunatic radical left”, but now the 
> progressive leaning media is blaming everything on “the right”.
>  
> It’s as if all people belong to one or the other, and you can identify them 
> on site.  When in reality I think most people if you asked them whether they 
> are “the left” or “the right” would reject those labels.  And they are the 
> same species and look the same.  (Well, I’ll make an exception for the MAGA 
> cult, they wear red hats to declare their identity.  I feel like MAGA isn’t 
> the same as “the right” although lots of people would disagree.)
>  
> A specific person, Tyler Robinson, shot Charlie Kirk.  But that doesn’t fit 
> anyone’s preconceived narrative or advance their agenda or put money in their 
> pocket.  It must be the fault of some group I dislike.  He did it because he 
> was raised in a conservative family.  He did it because the left called Kirk 
> bad names.  He did it because of the transgender roommate.  Who knows?  The 
> only information we have from the killer’s own words is Kirk said things that 
> pissed him off.  I never followed Charlie Kirk, but in retrospect he said 
> some things I find offensive.  But apparently in a spirit of free discussion. 
>  Do we kill people now for saying things we find offensive?  I hope it hasn’t 
> come to that.  I’d bet most of us would have to kill several people per day.
>  
> Who remembers Joe McCarthy and McCarthyism?  You could destroy someone by 
> calling them a Communist, you didn’t need proof, and it didn’t really have 
> that much to do with Communism.  It was just a label you could throw at 
> someone.  So if Joe says Chuck is a Communist, and Steve protests that he 
> knows Chuck and he isn’t a Communist, then Steve must be a Communist, and he 
> must be destroyed as well.
>  
> Some of these labels like the left, the right, woke, anti-semitic, terrorist, 
> etc. feel like McCarthyism to me.
>  
> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2025 9:10 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT? Carr and Kimmel and "jawboning"
>  
> I can make a website like that today.
> 
> and I don't really give a shit because it's not a real organization.
> 
> If you google "join antifa", you will get at least a dozen different places 
> to go; all disconnected from one another.
> 
> Name their leader.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> On 9/19/2025 8:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Not organized?
>  
> https://www.joinantifa.org/
>  
>  
> 
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