Exactly.  Extra money for ribbon, then extra labor for getting to the
buffer tube, extra labor to neatly basket it and then you end up single
splicing it :/

At 1-288 loose tube is definitely the way to go.  At a certain point you're
going to have to ribbon, but I don't know if that's 576 or 6912.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 6:06 PM castarritt <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think a lot of people that use ribbon end up breaking it out and
> splicing one at a time anyway for that exact reason.  When we got our
> splicer, the Sumitomo guy also demoed a ribbon machine, and after like a
> dozen tries even with him doing half of them, we couldn't get a good burn
> on all 12.
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 11:38 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I hate ribbon.  Seems every time I try to splice it one of the ribbons
>> does not fuse right.  I lose patience.  Others eventually get it to work or
>> they note the bad burn on the records.  It does not seem to be a time saver
>> to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2025 10:28 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2" conduit vs. 1 1/4"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Both ways.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you spent the money on ribbon, you can just pinch it from the sides
>> and the glue breaks them apart.  Gotta be careful and all that, never know
>> when not to push it.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can also buy the cheaper loose tube stuff and ribbon it yourself.  My
>> techs are good enough to just do it by hand, but I use a bottle of glue and
>> some cheap plastic clips.
>>
>>
>>
>> Assuming it's modern stuff.  If this free 48ct is from pre-2010 it could
>> be the same or totally different.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 12:19 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Can you peel apart the 12 count into individual strands and splice them,
>> or do you have to have a ribbon splicer?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2025, at 9:12 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm pretty confident the guys in the trench will disagree it's no
>> additional cost difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 11:36 AM Dev <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> We’re drilling it ourselves, so no cost differential there, and the city
>> didn’t know what to do with a few thousand feet of 48 count ribbon, and
>> some 12 and 4 count, so they donated it, so that part is free, except
>> labor, which or course isn’t.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2025, at 6:33 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> If the drill cost is the exact same, go for it.  But I doubt a driller is
>> going to look at 2" for the same price as a 1.25".
>>
>>
>>
>> Why you're doing 48 ribbon is beyond me.  I didn't even know they made it
>> in that low of a count.  We have 288 LT and ribbon in 1.25".  I sincerely
>> regret every bit of ribbon cable - it's a waste of money, eats a ton more
>> labor, and provides little to no value.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're paying an extra 50c for 2" labor and saving 37c for
>> pipe...that's just dumb...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2025 at 7:08 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Never.  But i have had gophers eat .75 and microduct before.  Even 1.25
>> once.  So i guess 2” would more gopher resistant.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 19, 2025, at 1:33 PM, Dev <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > We’re drilling a development, and we have some spare 2” sitting
>> around, but wondering whether for two rows of 50 homes we could really get
>> away with ordering a roll of 1 1/4” to do that rest? We’re likely doing
>> GPON and have some 48 count ribbon fiber for the project, and some 4 and 12
>> count drops. Will we ever wish we used 2” for everything?
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