Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew? Maybe they were delivering critical supplies to orphanages, because speedboats with three engines mean urgent care is being delivered expeditiously?
> On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” boats. > https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat > > Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a larger cutter along with > helicopters. These things vaguely remind me of the WWII PT boats. > > I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard. > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice. If we have solid > intel that they're carrying drugs, and we know where they are, then as soon > as they enter our territorial waters we can board the boat and arrest them. > The Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or even a specific reason to board a > boat. Some of those boats are faster than Cutters, but I don't have solid > info on how often they actually escape when they're already being tracked. > It's hard to imagine they really get away often because the Coast Guard also > has helicopters, and they're allowed to continue a pursuit into international > waters (and onto land) as long as the pursuit started in US waters. > > Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal to blow up > someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We also don't execute drug > traffickers, and even when the state executes someone there's a trial first. > > but..... > post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy combatants > the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO. The sec of state, > sec of treasury, and attorney general all have to agree, but they also all > have the same boss. > Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring an FTO. > Congress could pass a bill to override someone's listing as an FTO, but to > date they've never done it. > The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a lot of reasons it's > almost impossible. > > > So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a completely legal > pathway to authorize military force against just about anyone, and there's > very little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have sympathy for drug > smugglers, it's that all we can do is take someone's word for it that it was > a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally comfortable with that then I'm curious > what your rationale is. > > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf > of Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361 > > I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and board them, arrest > people and confiscate cargo. I seem to remember they specifically acquired > high speed boats that were a match for anything a drug runner might have. > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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