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On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 7:58 AM Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote: > Someday I would really like to be able to sail around the Caribbean and > South America without having to worry about being randomly blown out of the > water for no reason at all. “Well, the US said it was OK to kill people > in international waters”. > > Mark > > On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie < > [email protected]> wrote: > > It seems very telling that when they blew up a boat and people survived, > they sent them back to their home country vs prosecuting them. You can't > introduce that testimony into the public record. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I should be in therapy, but I >> just realized one reason why the Coast Guard is underappreciated or at >> least unknown compared to Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. They are part >> of DHS not DOD. >> >> >> >> But now that DOD is calling itself the Department of War, maybe DHS is >> just fine. Although one is Hegseth and the other is Noem, so flip a coin. >> >> >> >> Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a smaller budget, and a much >> smaller PR budget. No money to toot their own horn. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >> >> >> >> Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0 style >> chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat, and at the end he says “book ‘em, >> Danno”. >> >> >> >> Besides, I think the Coasties are an underappreciated branch of the US >> military. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >> >> >> >> I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started moving the fent, they >> chose bombs. A little nose candy here and there, some dope, a little >> crystal, even some heroin was manageable. But these ducks decided to move >> shit that one mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are putting it it club drugs >> and on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake. >> >> >> >> Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut their life jackets, chum >> the waters, I don't care as long as they die. They don't want to give our >> kids a second chance, their adults deserve as terrible a death as possible. >> Idgaf about human rights, they don't, and I have no interest in the high >> road. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew? Maybe they were >> delivering critical supplies to orphanages, because speedboats with three >> engines mean urgent care is being delivered expeditiously? >> >> >> >> On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” >> boats. >> >> >> https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat >> >> >> >> Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a larger cutter along with >> helicopters. These things vaguely remind me of the WWII PT boats. >> >> >> >> I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >> >> >> >> Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice. If we have >> solid intel that they're carrying drugs, and we know where they are, then >> as soon as they enter our territorial waters we can board the boat and >> arrest them. The Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or even a specific >> reason to board a boat. Some of those boats are faster than Cutters, but I >> don't have solid info on how often they actually escape when they're >> already being tracked. It's hard to imagine they really get away often >> because the Coast Guard also has helicopters, and they're allowed to >> continue a pursuit into international waters (and onto land) as long as the >> pursuit started in US waters. >> >> >> >> Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal to blow up >> someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We also don't execute drug >> traffickers, and even when the state executes someone there's a trial >> first. >> >> >> >> but..... >> >> - post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy >> combatants >> >> >> - the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO. The sec >> of state, sec of treasury, and attorney general all have to agree, but >> they >> also all have the same boss. >> >> >> - Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring an FTO. >> >> >> - Congress could pass a bill to override someone's listing as an FTO, >> but to date they've never done it. >> >> >> - The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a lot of reasons >> it's almost impossible. >> >> >> >> >> >> So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a completely legal >> pathway to authorize military force against just about anyone, and there's >> very little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have sympathy for drug >> smugglers, it's that all we can do is take someone's word for it that it >> was a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally comfortable with that then I'm >> curious what your rationale is. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof < >> [email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >> >> >> >> *https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361 >> <https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>* >> >> >> >> I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and board them, >> arrest people and confiscate cargo. I seem to remember they specifically >> acquired high speed boats that were a match for anything a drug runner >> might have. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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