Sounds like it's time for a different health plan.
The last place I worked where they had HR, I think they just called it PTO,
unless something serious comes up. You got what you got, and it eliminates
the hyper-examinations.
When we ran our own company, we worked no matter how we felt, and if you
were dying, you went to work anyway.
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2025 at 4:54 AM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
> *nods* My regular doctor is usually weeks out for scheduling. Sometimes he
> can squeeze us in the same day, but that's usually just double-booking an
> appointment slot and hoping no one complains.
>
> One of my cardiologists is over 18 months out. I think my last appointment
> was 20 months.
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Seth Mattinen via AF" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: "Seth Mattinen" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2025 12:44:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tough love
>
> On 12/2/25 09:37, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > If you think of it in terms of your policies and put “this generation”
> > and “woke” out of your mind, it will probably save you some
> > aggravation. Hard to do when you’re the owner, but just following the
> > rules (even if you’re the rulemaker) can avoid getting worked up over
> > something and letting someone spoil your day.
> >
> > I only have one employee other than myself, and he is a relative, so
> > that comes with its own set of issues. Others are 1099 and are low
> > maintenance.
> >
> > My impression is that a lot of companies these days are lumping PTO and
> > sick days together into a pool, my guess is to avoid exactly these
> > issues. No doctors notes or tell me your temperature or sending private
> > detectives to take photos. Ever since the pandemic there are also
> > probably rules about coming to work sick to avoid using up your “pool”
> > days, if you’re clearly sick and likely infectious, you work from home
> > or take a sick day.
> >
> > If someone uses up their pool, then it becomes unpaid leave or longterm
> > disability.
> >
>
> Doctors notes cost money, if they can even get me in that quickly. My
> neurologist is a year out for appointments. So sure, I'll get right on
> that note when my MS acts up: in a year.
>
> If I have to pay urgent care $200 to get a note that's worth $25/hr for
> an 8 hour day. If it costs more than I'm getting paid for a note then
> I'll take the risk of getting fired since I'm losing money either way,
> at least I can argue the math to unemployment and get a hearing.
>
> Can employers requiring doctor notes be a worker's comp claim? I sure
> would try before spending my money.
>
> Besides, if you don't trust someone enough that you actually need notes
> like they're a child then why are they still working for you anyway?
>
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