no moral or ethical foundation This is the demise of every great civilization
Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity or misspellings. > On Oct 9, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Rory Conaway via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > > It can’t if it’s constantly chipped apart from the bottom up. Between > continued growth of the welfare state, unchecked immigration and growth of an > uneducated population, and lawlessness from the President on down, Capitalism > won’t survive. Unfortunately, if it fails, then so does the country and as > evidenced by the unchecked growth of evil philosophies such as radical Islam, > dictatorships masquerading as Communism, and Communist countries with no > moral or ethical foundation, complete anarchy worldwide. Capitalism funds > and drives the United States to continue to be a leader in the world. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare > > While capitalism may have built the greatest country in the world, some think > capitalism cannot sustain the greatest country in the world. > > Chris Wright > Velociter Wireless > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare > > Collin, socialized medicine or socialized anything doesn’t work. What > happened to the idea that Capitalism built the greatest country and the > greatest health care in the world. Why does everybody forget that and keep > wanting to go back to the failed systems in Europe, Socialism, Communism. > > Costs go up because of attorney’s and the technology behind our health care. > If you want cheap health care, get rid of MRI machines, genome cancer > treatments, laser surgeries, AiDs drugs, Hepatitis drug research, etc… If > all you want is an aspirin and a hug, you keep holding to the idea that > socialized medicine is a great idea. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare > > Amen brother Conlin. > > The way I see it, the biggest problem is that ObamaCare didn't go far enough. > We really, really need to have a system that gets a handle on the costs. > The cost to US citizens is more than double the cost to other developed > countries. > > Just peruse this: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/26/charts-health-care-costs-americans_n_2957266.html > > bp > On 10/9/2014 5:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: > What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make > money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. > By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal > (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting > out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out > the costs. > > ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing > coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If > you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our > system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath > costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer > system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to > minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper > (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for > the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the > opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private > entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. > > It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was > mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I > guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and > let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention > its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private > industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth > distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without > pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. > > The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously > with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would > pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the > other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the > open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care > general health would improve and costs would go down even more. > > Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of > overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing > out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would > anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root > problem. > > Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. > > PC > Blaze Broadband > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare > > People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting > from this. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare > > We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of > pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the > first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured > plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a > pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The > craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select > Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity > and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing > us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to > take away. > > Bait and switch. > > The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. > > It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this > insurance, but the fines will get you either way. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rory Conaway via Af > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare > > And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors > retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t > have to use it. > > Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government > wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, > companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are > friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place? > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare > > Please don't forget that this whole "obamacare" thing was "invented" by the > American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank. And the > republicans tried to squash "Hillarycare" with it in the 1990's. > > Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. > > Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs and > premiums have been going down...mine sure did :) > > 2cents > > Sean > > On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi... > > I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to "save everyone > money" and provider "better health care". We just received our group health > insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates will go up by > 10% starting 2015. > > On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their personal > income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to me... :( > > Travis > > >
