What do you mean WISP equipment? Jaime Solorza On Oct 23, 2014 10:26 AM, "Chuck Hogg via Af" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not quite sure what you are getting at? What you are stating is part > of the Code of Ethics (Article II). > > Are you stating that if WISPA were the regulator or that if WISPA could > regulate the industry? > > Keep in mind, we have stepped up in interference issues where the FCC has > failed to identify the source of interference. In fact, we identified the > storage facility in Las Vegas that was interfering with their TDWR, a > non-WISP using WISP equipment. We've stepped up to help in cases where the > FCC has asked us to. > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Im not faulting WISPA, theyre not a regulator. Im faulting the members of >> the industry and the industry itself. I really cant even fault UBNT, theyre >> delivering the requested product. If they were to add into their next >> production release something that forced everything to always be in >> compliance, it would probably be the least downloaded firmware in the >> history of the company. If WISPA weere to change their charter and >> membership agreement to reflect an obligation to comply, their budget from >> dues would cause rick harnish to live on spam and potatoes, and he might >> not get the spam. >> >> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Then you’re a better man than I am. I grant you one free pass to >>> complain. >>> >>> I wonder if I can put a board at the bottom of the tower to display FCC >>> stickers, kind of like the boards at road construction sites with all the >>> posters various government agencies require to be displayed at the >>> workplace? >>> >>> To be honest, I’m kind of scared of bricking a production radio, and >>> might swap out the hardware anyway. It’s always a little scary updating a >>> Ubiquiti radio to a FW release that changes the region locking rules, for >>> fear of losing functionality and having no undo. Even if you’re not doing >>> anything illegal. Better to try it on the ground and then swap the >>> hardware. >>> >>> But I’d love to tell a grain elevator I’m having a guy climb their 165 >>> ft leg during harvest while they are loading and unloading grain so he can >>> disappear into the cloud from the grain dryer and put a sticker on a radio >>> to satisfy government regulations. Of course they have their own OSHA >>> stories to tell. >>> >>> >>> *From:* That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:53 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>> >>> every single one of the radios that got that have the stickers ken, >>> whether they have half peeled off or not (i didnt bring alcohol swabs) I >>> dont know, but they did all get the sticker. Im afraid of the FCC a >>> judgement from them on a company our size could cause me to be unemployed. >>> (also the luxury of it being less than 50 radios didnt hurt) >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, Ubiquiti sends us U-NII-1 stickers for our APs when we register >>>> and get the license key. Doesn’t that show they care? You do climb the >>>> tower and put those stickers on, don’t you? If not, who’s the problem now? >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:27 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>> >>>> we are a WISPA member last I knew. But yes, credibility with >>>> regulators. When you sit down and sya "hey! FCC, we dont like these new >>>> requirements. Change them" they giggle because they know the industry you >>>> represent isnt following the current guidelines, so catering to them really >>>> isnt top on their list of to dos. This industry has an attitude of "if we >>>> arent getting caught, we arent doing it" >>>> UBNt wont change anything because theyre called out, they have to be >>>> forced by the FCC or other regulating agencies to comply, historically >>>> speaking I men, in fantasy pants land (cool parachute fantasy pants with >>>> plenty of zippers) they might proactively comply, but in real world, theyll >>>> meh it because they saw what happenned to sales >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the credibility with regulators is greatly increasing. >>>>> >>>>> Shame on anyone on this list that is not a WISPA member. SHAME. ON. >>>>> YOU. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett via Af" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:05:53 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>> >>>>> Sub "teeth" perhaps for "credibility with regulators", or similar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What “teeth” do you expect WISPA to have? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:31 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>> >>>>> Non UBNT fanboys would agree that UBNT is the most abused set of >>>>> systems we use, note the dismay over losing "test mode" or whatever its >>>>> called and the backlash I got for snitching on a vendor who was selling >>>>> non >>>>> US radios to US customers. UBNT wants to market themselves a a big player, >>>>> but they cant even get the systems to do simple if and or >>>>> for the most part in my experience of dealing with mikrotik guys, they >>>>> take their spectrum stewardship seriously, Ive not dealt with all the tik >>>>> guys, there are probably alot who abuse it too, and shame on them for >>>>> that, >>>>> but tik isnt as prevalent in the industry as UBNT is. >>>>> I personally dont like the temptation to cheat, we are changing out a >>>>> rocket link with a 650 right now that would work fine at full power in the >>>>> lower 5gz, and I would never get caught, instead we are shedding customers >>>>> while we are putting up the replacement tommorrow. Most folks wold just >>>>> cheat it to get through, thats why WISPA has no real teeth >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't believe the FCC has issued any DFS related violations that >>>>>> didn't include interfering with TDWR. It seems like as long as you don't >>>>>> interfere with TDWR, no one cares. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"That One Guy via Af" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:48:31 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>> >>>>>> it only sets in the ap if you select a channel, if you give it a list >>>>>> it stays at full power. I wish WISPA would realize that they have >>>>>> absolutely no teeth and our membership dues have no return until our >>>>>> industry takes stewardship of the spectrum seriously. Its things like >>>>>> this >>>>>> that ensure the 5ghz rules are here to stay, WISPA has a better chance of >>>>>> sticking a straw up a unicorns hind end and blowing rainbow bubbles out >>>>>> its >>>>>> nose than getting the rules changed. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Mathew Howard via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That really bothers me too... the AP side will limit it to the >>>>>>> legal limit (assuming you have the antenna size set properly), but the >>>>>>> clients do not... I'm guessing there are an awful lot of NanoBridges out >>>>>>> there running at 23dBm Tx power on DFS channels - which should be >>>>>>> limited >>>>>>> to 5dBm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> UBNT really needs to fix that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Af [[email protected]] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ >>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:34 PM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont like that theyre not limiting power in those bands >>>>>>> automatically, I thought they were supposed to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go >>>>>>>> that low (legally). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am >>>>>>>>> scared to update the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to >>>>>>>>> find out >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bill >>>>>>>>> Prince via Af >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go to the UBNT web site. You have to register & they will send >>>>>>>>> you stickers and an activation key that you enter on the System tab >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> GUI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter >>>>>>>>> it into the radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This >>>>>>>>> particular one >>>>>>>>> worked just fine on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers >>>>>>>>> on short hops, all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled >>>>>>>>> from factory? I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access >>>>>>>>> UNII 1. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Sam Lambie via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see >>>>>>>>> is the 5.8 band in AP mode. what am I missing? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ >>>>>>>>> MHz between feeds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer >>>>>>>>> it). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Image removed by sender.] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: >>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender.] >>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: >>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender.] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: >>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Sam Lambie via Af" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band >>>>>>>>> now? Is that smoke and mirrors? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sam >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie* >>>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office >>>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie* >>>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office >>>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie* >>>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. >>>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office >>>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>>>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if >>>>>> you >>>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >>>>>> not >>>>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do >>>>> not >>>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that >>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the >> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you >> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not >> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 >> > >
