My last employer was providing AIrRouters for customer premesis. This employer is using RB951. I think there are more DOA's and early failures with the RB951, or at least the same.

So yeah, you get what you pay for. It's like that Russian guy said in Armageddon: "American component, Russian component....all made in Taiwan."

RB2011 is pretty much the Swiss Army knife of routers. CCR has lots of cajones (up to 32!). 951 is "meh". The little switches that run SwitchOS are "meh".

The CRS switches are nice because you get the same user interface as the routers, but I find I have to keep reminding people that they are a lousy router and don't use them as a router. Configure it as a switch and you have wire speed on every port. Configure it like a router and you have a 450 with lots of ports.


On 3/30/2015 5:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Hating? No! Just don't expect a $39 Routerboard to be as durable as your $1000 ImageStream.

The rb2011 rocks.  I've got nothing but good things to say about it.

The 100s and 500s from years and years back kind of irritated me. The 400s have been running for years, though, and have been fantastic!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM, That One Guy <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    RB 1100AHx2 was what I was looking at, on the edge, our current
    bigger pipe is only 300mbps today, so that would seem sufficient
    based on your description of use, since the other is smaller, at
    this price migrating it down into the network if we hit growth
    quickly wouldnt be a dealbreaker. Its unlikely we would be doing
    much beyond routing, no shaping or anything of that nature
    anywhere in the near term.

    Josh hating on the hardware does concern me though.

    We had dicked around with a few RB 750 in the past for a couple
    test cases, looking more toward replacing wired Dlinks for
    residential customers, but had to use it in a pinch at a small
    site, never saw any issue and liked the toolsets. Is there a
    comparable unit to the Air Routers for a residential solution (we
    normally provide an air router unless the customer wants to use
    their own, we bridge the CPE radios on all but a handful of
    customers) The two main things we prefer out of the Air router is
    the ability to disable the reset button, and the wireless coverage
    is sufficient for a free consumer router) would have to hit the
    same pricepoint as the airrouter. Torch at the customer is a
    selling point though. out of curiousity, one thing we couldnt do
    with air router was tiered users on the device. We wanted to be
    able to give the customer a login where they can do whatever they
    want with the exception of changing the WAN config away from DHCP,
    or changing our remote access to the device. can you do this in MT?



    On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Gabriel Pike
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        We use Mikrotiks for all of our routers. We have a similar set
        up to the one you describe. I have 2 WAN routers doing BGP and
        iBGP between them with OSPF for internal routing. I really
        like Mikrotiks. I was trained with Cisco products in College
        but Mikrotiks were an easy transition. We use mostly RB
        1100AHx2’s but I am about to upgrade our core routers to CCR
        series. We take in 300Mbps through both internet feeds and I
        am starting to max the CPU of the 1100AHX2’s.

        Regards,

        Gabriel Pike

        Network Support and Engineering

        MTCNA

        DMCI Broadband, LLC <http://dmcibb.net/>

        [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

        877.936.2422 <tel:877.936.2422>

        Ext. 103

        *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
        *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 4:04 PM
        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Pros/Cons and recomendations

        Generally you use x86 for the purchase of a license.  That's
        where they started their business. Baltic/Titan/etc have their
        "suggested" models which are just x86 machines with RouterOS
        on them already.  I'd use these 1000x before I touched
        ImageStream at tower sites.


        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
        Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:00 PM, That One Guy
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

        Are you guys saying, you purchase the router OS and put it on
        third party hardware over using their hardware? What hardware
        do you find yourselves using, if not routerboard?

        On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Bill Prince
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        We do 99% of what we need on MT level 4. You only need level 5
        or 6 if you have a bunch of tunnels. Get what you need mainly
        based on throughput and simultaneous connections. A lowly
        RB493 easily handles tens of thousands simultaneous
        connections, and a X86 router probably another order of
        magnitude. I think the typical connection table on any of the
        newer boards can get up around 500,000 connections.

        If you have solar powered sites, I think that MT is the only
        game in town.

        I've had limited success with their switches, and I do not
        consider them a robust solution. So if you need decent
        switches in your infrastructure, and you like your Procurves,
        stick with them. That said, I have stuck in quite a few
        routerboards and used them as switches no problem.


        bp

        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 3/30/2015 12:26 PM, That One Guy wrote:

            After poking around at many different brands, it seems
            Mikrotik is the right fit for our network and budget.

            I dont fully understand the licensing tiers

            Is there a sizing chart on these?

            Is the interface similar between the router models and the
            switch models? Are the mikrotik switches comparable to the
            HP procurve in reliability?

            It would be the bees knees to see out network more
            universal as far as management interfaces go, we have
            three purposes for routers:

            our upstream routers, which we have 2, will ultimately be
            running OSPF internally and BGP externally (current
            thought) 200mbps-1gbps projected need through the next
            couple of years.

            Our network/POP routers ranging from 1 customer at a POP
            to 150

            A residential solution comparable to the UBNT AirRouters
            (1-25mbps rate plans) wifi capable.

            If the switches have similar interfaces, we would look
            toward replacing a combination of UBNT toughswitch POE,
            and a variety of HP procurves from 1810G to 2510G and
            their other POE models.

            I note alot of discussion regarding MT ethernet
            negotiation flakiness, how much of an impact does this
            present? Right now we have imagestream and fortigate on
            the network, and have zero issues with that.

            The decision to go toward mikrotik is primarily based on
            cost and community support availability within the
            industry. (this consideration has alot to do with a single
            point of administrative failure in only having one person,
            me, training to design, maintain, support, and grow the
            network, in the event i became absent from the picture)
            The winbox interface and feature availability within was
            also a primary consideration for support staff.

            I would like to her from people entrenched in MT who
            love/hate it, anybody who turned their back on it, and
            anybody who moved toward it.


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