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-----Original Message-----
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 5:58 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: [AFMUG] Ok so Vudu is really starting to piss me off, suggestions?
I can't remember if I posted this here, but about a month ago Vudu, Hulu,
ABC and Disney streaming all stopped at the same time for all customers on
my network.
After contacting all of the various customer support departments I found out
they had to whitelist all of my IP blocks because they thought they were
"Out of Country" or VPN/Proxy.
Hulu support was the fastest. They had it all cleared and customers access
restored in a day.
Disney and ABC apparently use the same go.com infrastructure and took a few
weeks to finally convince someone there to fix it.
But they did for all our blocks and now we have no problems with them.
Vudu on the other hand are being obstinate with me and my customers.
On the phone the nice rep agreed that we need to be white listed, but
couldn't seem to get a hold of anyone high enough in engineering to fix it.
The email support thread (below in reverse, top most recent ordering) shows
a long back and forth, then nothing.
What can I do here?
I'm thinking there may be some way to publically shame them into fixing it?
Like John Oliver, lol!
Begin top recent thread with Vudu. Scroll down to bottom to read from the
beginning time wise.
Ok, so now you guys are flat out lying to our customers.
We are not on a VPN and we are NOT on a proxy!
These are directly assigned public IP's to customers homes that live in
Saratoga Springs, Utah on a fiber to the home connection.
The IP blocks route through our provider, a Data center in Provo, Utah.
The message sent to our customer Alex shown below is incorrect and causing
issues with our credibility.
We will record damages in any customer service issues dealing with this and
track everything you say for our legal team.
Please resolve this today before we take this public and consult legal
action.
Have a nice day!
Sterling
Hi Alex,
Thank you for contacting VUDU Customer Care. I apologize for any
inconveniences.
Unfortunately, VUDU does not supports proxys or VPNs. We looked up the IP,
it's has a hosting proxy and you are using a VPN. This is out of our
engineering teams troubleshooting abilities. Please get in touch with your
ISP for further assistance.
If you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to
contact us again. Have a great day!
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/26/2015 08:11 PM
So, are you all ignoring the issue now?
I'm instructing all of our customers on over 2000 IP's to go to the FCC
complain page and file against Vudu.com that they are intentionally blocking
everyone on our ISP.
Customers of ours are all having Vudu.com issues and support isn't helping
them.
Instead they are blaming them for router/browser issues that have no
problems.
Please take action.
Unblock and white list our IP ranges 108.165.28.0/22 and 108.165.36.0/22
You are losing customers.
-Sterling
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/20/2015 05:27 PM
Still not fixed.
For me, or any of my IP block customers.
ABC.com and Disney just fixed theirs, so now we are working for all 2048
IP's on their networks. Hulu was fixed within an hour of when I notified
them.
Why is Vudu incapable of the same thing?
Is there anyone on your team able to whitelist this?
-Sterling
Response Cody C via Email 05/19/2015 02:58 PM
Hello Sterling,
I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for providing the needed
information. We will send this to our engineering to look into this. Thank
you, and have a great day!
Best Regards,
Cody C.
VUDU Customer Care
7am-8pm PST
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/19/2015 02:55 PM
Uh, do you want this answered for myself (pointless IMO) or for everyone
(even more pointless)?
I'll answer inline:
Type of Computer (PC or Mac): ALL
What operation system? Every
What browser(s) are they using? ALL OF THEM
What version of that browser(s)?LOTS
Movie title: WHO KNOWS
Movie definition: HIGH
Speedtest.vudu.com results: Almost 40Mbps both ways (you seem to be capped
at 40Mbps since this is a fiber 1000Mbps line).
How is that computer connected to the network (Wired or Wireless): Wired
If wireless, how far is the router, are there any walls ceilings between?
N/A
The make and model of the modem: LOTS
The make and model of the router: MANY
location: Saratoga Springs, Utah, USA
Who is the ISP?
Avative Fiber
avative.net
Over 2000 IP's in Saratoga Springs, Utah, lots of unhappy customers.
Still unhappy since it's been over a week of issues with Vudu.
Please help! This is not a client end problem. Cross all that off your list.
Get to the point and white list our IP blocks.
Pending failure to do that at the VERY least clear my own two IP's so I know
you are capable of just that for our customers individually. 108.165.31.3
and 108.165.31.5. Blocks are 108.165.28.0/22 and 108.165.36.0/22
Response Cody C via Email 05/19/2015 10:26 AM
Hello Sterling,
I hope this email finds you well. If could also please provide us with the
following:
Type of Computer (PC or Mac):
What operation system?
What browser(s) are they using?
What version of that browser(s)?
Movie title:
Movie definition:
Speedtest.vudu.com results:
How is that computer connected to the network (Wired or Wireless):
If wireless, how far is the router, are there any walls ceilings between?
The make and model of the modem:
The make and model of the router:
location:
Who is the ISP?
Thank you, and have a great day!
Best Regards,
Cody C.
VUDU Customer Care
7am-8pm PST
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
Response Kathryn C via Email 05/19/2015 10:21 AM
Hello,
I hope this email finds you well.
Thank you for providing us with the requested information. I have escalated
your case up to our engineering team for further review. Thank you for your
patience and cooperation in this matter.
We look forward to getting this issue resolved.
Best Regards,
Kathryn Cheatwood
VUDU Customer Care
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/19/2015 09:14 AM
Hey, any updates?? Still not fixed for me, let alone my 2048 IP's on my
customer network.
Do you really expect every customer of mine using Vudu to perform four trace
routes and send them to you individually?
-Sterling
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/18/2015 11:13 AM
Ok. If you could really, really please fix this for all of my subnets I
would appreciate it.
They are all going to have the same tracert as my home account except for
the first IP line.
They all route the exact same.
Here is my tracert:
C:\Users\Sterling>tracert llgvault.vudu.com
Tracing route to vudu.re.llnwd.net [68.142.93.133]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
2 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
4.197]
4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2087.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
101]
5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
.66]
6 19 ms 19 ms 20 ms be2047.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
114]
7 26 ms 32 ms 22 ms 38.104.138.74
8 50 ms 43 ms 33 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
9 34 ms 34 ms 41 ms cdn-68-142-93-133.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.133]
Trace complete.
C:\Users\Sterling>tracert lldvault.vudu.com
Tracing route to vudu-rd.vo.llnwd.net [68.142.93.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
2 4 ms <1 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
4.197]
4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2086.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
185]
5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
.34]
6 20 ms 20 ms 19 ms be2000.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.
106]
7 22 ms 22 ms 26 ms 38.104.139.162
8 26 ms 23 ms 23 ms ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209]
9 33 ms 33 ms 36 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
10 43 ms 41 ms 33 ms cdn-68-142-93-254.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.254]
Trace complete.
C:\Users\Sterling>tracert llpvault.vudu.com
Tracing route to vudu-p.vo.llnwd.net [68.142.93.133]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
2 1 ms 13 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
4.197]
4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2087.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
101]
5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
.66]
6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms be2047.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
114]
7 31 ms 23 ms 24 ms 38.104.138.74
8 40 ms 33 ms 38 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
9 34 ms 34 ms 33 ms cdn-68-142-93-133.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.133]
Trace complete.
C:\Users\Sterling>tracert startup.vvond.net
Tracing route to startup.vvond.net [208.79.221.221]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
2 1 ms 13 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
3 2 ms 3 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
4.197]
4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2086.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
185]
5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
.34]
6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2000.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.
106]
7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms zayo.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.194]
8 20 ms 42 ms 20 ms ae10.cr2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.31.73]
9 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ae3.er2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.28.57]
10 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms ae0.er1.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.25.105]
11 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms te2-4.cr1.mlp1.peakwebhosting.com [64.124.200.82
]
12 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 67.221.32.165
13 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 208.79.221.221
Trace complete.
C:\Users\Sterling>
Response Kevin W via Email 05/17/2015 01:07 PM
Hello Sterling.
I hope this email finds you well.
To better assist you, we will need to collect a trace route, which will show
us a more detailed view of your connection to our servers:
Windows XP
Open Start > Run > Type "cmd" and hit "enter"
When the command prompt loads type in the following commands:
tracert llgvault.vudu.com
tracert lldvault.vudu.com
tracert llpvault.vudu.com
tracert startup.vvond.net
Windows Vista/7/8
Type "cmd" under the search box on the Start menu
When the command prompt loads type in the following commands:
tracert llgvault.vudu.com
tracert lldvault.vudu.com
tracert llpvault.vudu.com
tracert startup.vvond.net
Mac OSX
Application Folder > Utilities > Terminal
Open the terminal and type the following commands:
traceroute llgvault.vudu.com
traceroute lldvault.vudu.com
traceroute llpvault.vudu.com
traceroute startup.vvond.net
This will display a screen full of information showing every router the
connection passes through to get to its destination and the amount of time
it takes to get to each location (this will help our engineers determine any
routing issues). To copy this, right click the screen and choose '"Select
All'" (or Cntrl+A). Hold Ctrl + C or the hit the "Enter" button, this will
copy this information the white highlighted box will disappear when you do
this.
Please reply to this email with the resulting information so we may
investigate your issue further.
Best regards,
Kevin W
VUDU Customer Care
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/16/2015 10:35 PM
That is total crap. You guys are losing customers and so am I.
What does that look like for both of us if I have to send around an email to
thousands of customers telling them to go to your support page?
Prove to me that it even works.
I am on IP 108.165.31.3 and 108.165.31.5.
Please fix it for my personal network and let me see if we can even get to
step one.
Thanks!
Sterling
Response ruribe via Email 05/16/2015 01:26 PM
Hello Sterling,
Thank you for contacting Vudu Customer Support.
Again as stated from the previous agent. We will need to have each VUDU user
contact us at the number below to assist them further. We do highly
apologize for this inconvenience. Have a great day.
Best Regards,
Ruben Uribe
VUDU Tier II Network Technician
Open: 7 days a Week, 7AM-8PM PST
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/16/2015 11:10 AM
No, no proxy or VPN, these /22 blocks are routed directly in Saratoga
Springs Utah at a few different sites in the city.
The public static IP addresses are directly allocated to customer routers.
I can give you exact GPS coordinates in a KMZ file if that helps.
I really need someone on your team to step up for my 2048 IP's and get this
whitelisted ASAP.
I'm losing customers, and so are you, because of this Out of Country
problem.
This is not our problem, we've been running for a couple of years just fine
until recently.
Someone, somewhere, got our entire IP space on a list which is WRONG.
Please, please do something about this.
Customers are filing FCC complaints now against Vudu regarding this.
Thanks!
Sterling
Response Kevin W via Email 05/15/2015 07:24 PM
Hello Sterling.
I hope this email finds you well.
Thank you for contacting VUDU customer care. To assist you better are you
using a VPN or proxy server? If so we do not support either of these on our
service. If not we will need to have each VUDU user contact us at the number
below to assist further. I do apologize for the inconvenience and we look
forward to hearing from you.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Kevin Wolfe
VUDU Customer Care
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/15/2015 04:09 PM
None of this helps.
For these 2048 IP Addresses in our ARIN assigned/SWIPed block we still
cannot use Vudu.
Lots of unhappy customers for us.
It is also disney and abc using the Amazon AWS go.com services.
It appears Vudu may also use AWS services/CDN.
So I suspect there is a master blacklist involved at Amazon that my IPv4
blocks are on for some reason.
I need someone competent on your team at Vudu to figure out how to whitelist
our IP ranges ASAP.
Is that possible?
Thanks a ton!
-Sterling Jacobson
Manager, Avative Fiber
Avative.net
Response David S via Email 05/15/2015 09:07 AM
Hello Sterling,
I hope this e-mail finds you well.
There are a couple different possible causes for receiving error #5000. I
will provide some further information and troubleshooting below.
1. Go to http://adobe.com/go/settmgr_storage_en
a. In the Website Storage Setting Panel Click the "Delete all sites"
b. In the Protected Content Playback Settings panel Click the "Reset License
Files"
2. Uninstall the current version of Adobe Flash Player from your computer
If you have a mac:
http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-mac-os.html
3. Install Adobe Air - http://get.adobe.com/air/
4. Re-install Adobe Flash Player - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer
5. Reboot the PC after these installs and try to stream the video again.
Sometimes switching your web browser will solve this issue. I would suggest
using Google Chrome as it automatically updates your Flash player. With some
computers, Mozilla Firefox is your best option. We do not suggest Internet
Explorer for our web site. If you are already using Google Chrome, try
uninstalling it and reinstalling it as an update may not have updated
correctly and could also be causing the issue.
Other possible causes are as listed below;
-User may be outside of the United States
-User may be on a public network (Example: Hotel, School, Dorm, Work)
-User may need to update flash www.adobe.com/downloads
-Try another browser - or update the current browser.
-User may be running into a Firewall issue on their home network.
If any of these apply to you at this time as far as being out of the country
or using a public network, then that would be the cause of the error.
If the issue persists, then it may be a possible firewall issue. Please
contact us at our number below and one of our technicians will be happy to
assist you.
Best regards,
David S.
VUDU Customer Care
7am-8pm PST
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/14/2015 07:44 PM
Actually it's multiple users on an ISP that I own, Avative Fiber.
Can you please white list the following IP Ranges?
Avative Fiber (ARIN AL-464), we need all of our IP's on the following blocks
white listed asap.
108.165.36.0/22
108.165.28.0/22
It's either handle this one request or thousands of our fiber optic
customers and business lines start this same exact request process.
Let me know if there is something else we can do, or when it will be
resolved.
We've already resolved the issue with Hulu.
Thanks!
Sterling Jacobson
Manager
Avative Fiber
Response Kevin W via Email 05/14/2015 05:29 PM
Hello Sterling.
I hope this email finds you well.
There are a couple different possible causes for receiving error #5000. I
will provide some further information and troubleshooting below.
The first step that you can try to resolve this issue, would be to go to:
1. http://adobe.com/go/settmgr_storage_en
a. In the Website Storage Setting Panel Click the "Delete all sites"
b. In the Protected Content Playback Settings panel Click the "Reset License
Files"
2. Uninstall the current version of Adobe Flash Player from your computer
If you have a mac:
http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-mac-os.html
3. Install Adobe Air - http://get.adobe.com/air/
4. Re-install Adobe Flash Player - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer
5. Reboot the PC after these installs and try to stream the video again.
We also recommend switching your web browser to resolve the issue if it
persists. I would suggest using Google Chrome as it automatically updates
your Flash player. With some computers, Mozilla Firefox is your best option.
If you are already using Google Chrome, try uninstalling it and reinstalling
it, as an update may not have updated correctly and could also be causing
the issue.
If the issue persists, then it may be a possible firewall issue. Please
contact us at our number below and one of our technicians will be happy to
assist you.
Best regards,
Kevin Wolfe
VUDU Customer Care
1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
[email protected]
OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/14/2015 03:56 PM
Can't watch my Vudu movies on my computer due to some vague error #5000.
Can you explain?
Thanks!
Sterling
