Perhaps an email to nanog asking for someone that can do something at Vudu?



> On May 28, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I can't remember if I posted this here, but about a month ago Vudu, Hulu, ABC 
> and Disney streaming all stopped at the same time for all customers on my 
> network.
> 
> After contacting all of the various customer support departments I found out 
> they had to whitelist all of my IP blocks because they thought they were "Out 
> of Country" or VPN/Proxy.
> 
> Hulu support was the fastest. They had it all cleared and customers access 
> restored in a day.
> 
> Disney and ABC apparently use the same go.com infrastructure and took a few 
> weeks to finally convince someone there to fix it.
> But they did for all our blocks and now we have no problems with them.
> 
> Vudu on the other hand are being obstinate with me and my customers.
> On the phone the nice rep agreed that we need to be white listed, but 
> couldn't seem to get a hold of anyone high enough in engineering to fix it.
> 
> The email support thread (below in reverse, top most recent ordering) shows a 
> long back and forth, then nothing.
> 
> What can I do here?
> 
> I'm thinking there may be some way to publically shame them into fixing it?
> 
> Like John Oliver, lol!
> 
> 
> Begin top recent thread with Vudu. Scroll down to bottom to read from the 
> beginning time wise.
> 
> 
> Ok, so now you guys are flat out lying to our customers.
> 
> We are not on a VPN and we are NOT on a proxy!
> 
> These are directly assigned public IP's to customers homes that live in 
> Saratoga Springs, Utah on a fiber to the home connection.
> 
> The IP blocks route through our provider, a Data center in Provo, Utah.
> 
> The message sent to our customer Alex shown below is incorrect and causing 
> issues with our credibility.
> We will record damages in any customer service issues dealing with this and 
> track everything you say for our legal team.
> 
> Please resolve this today before we take this public and consult legal action.
> 
> Have a nice day!
> Sterling
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Thank you for contacting VUDU Customer Care. I apologize for any 
> inconveniences.
> 
> Unfortunately, VUDU does not supports proxys or VPNs. We looked up the IP, 
> it's has a hosting proxy and you are using a VPN. This is out of our 
> engineering teams troubleshooting abilities. Please get in touch with your 
> ISP for further assistance.
> 
> If you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to 
> contact us again. Have a great day!
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/26/2015 08:11 PM
> So, are you all ignoring the issue now?
> 
> I'm instructing all of our customers on over 2000 IP's to go to the FCC 
> complain page and file against Vudu.com that they are intentionally blocking 
> everyone on our ISP.
> 
> Customers of ours are all having Vudu.com issues and support isn't helping 
> them.
> Instead they are blaming them for router/browser issues that have no problems.
> 
> Please take action.
> 
> Unblock and white list our IP ranges 108.165.28.0/22 and 108.165.36.0/22
> 
> You are losing customers.
> 
> -Sterling
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/20/2015 05:27 PM
> Still not fixed.
> 
> For me, or any of my IP block customers.
> 
> ABC.com and Disney just fixed theirs, so now we are working for all 2048 IP's 
> on their networks. Hulu was fixed within an hour of when I notified them.
> 
> Why is Vudu incapable of the same thing?
> 
> Is there anyone on your team able to whitelist this?
> 
> -Sterling
> Response Cody C via Email 05/19/2015 02:58 PM
> Hello Sterling,
> 
> I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for providing the needed 
> information. We will send this to our engineering to look into this. Thank 
> you, and have a great day!
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Cody C.
> VUDU Customer Care
> 7am-8pm PST
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/19/2015 02:55 PM
> Uh, do you want this answered for myself (pointless IMO) or for everyone 
> (even more pointless)?
> 
> I'll answer inline:
> 
> Type of Computer (PC or Mac): ALL
> What operation system? Every
> What browser(s) are they using? ALL OF THEM
> What version of that browser(s)?LOTS
> Movie title: WHO KNOWS
> Movie definition: HIGH
> Speedtest.vudu.com results: Almost 40Mbps both ways (you seem to be capped at 
> 40Mbps since this is a fiber 1000Mbps line).
> How is that computer connected to the network (Wired or Wireless): Wired
> If wireless, how far is the router, are there any walls ceilings between? N/A
> The make and model of the modem: LOTS
> The make and model of the router: MANY
> location: Saratoga Springs, Utah, USA
> Who is the ISP?
> 
> Avative Fiber
> avative.net
> Over 2000 IP's in Saratoga Springs, Utah, lots of unhappy customers.
> Still unhappy since it's been over a week of issues with Vudu.
> 
> Please help! This is not a client end problem. Cross all that off your list.
> Get to the point and white list our IP blocks.
> Pending failure to do that at the VERY least clear my own two IP's so I know 
> you are capable of just that for our customers individually. 108.165.31.3 and 
> 108.165.31.5. Blocks are 108.165.28.0/22 and 108.165.36.0/22
> Response Cody C via Email 05/19/2015 10:26 AM
> Hello Sterling,
> 
> I hope this email finds you well. If could also please provide us with the 
> following:
> Type of Computer (PC or Mac):
> What operation system?
> What browser(s) are they using?
> What version of that browser(s)?
> Movie title:
> Movie definition:
> Speedtest.vudu.com results:
> How is that computer connected to the network (Wired or Wireless):
> If wireless, how far is the router, are there any walls ceilings between?
> The make and model of the modem:
> The make and model of the router:
> location:
> Who is the ISP?
> Thank you, and have a great day!
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Cody C.
> VUDU Customer Care
> 7am-8pm PST
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> Response Kathryn C via Email 05/19/2015 10:21 AM
> Hello,
> 
> I hope this email finds you well.
> 
> Thank you for providing us with the requested information. I have escalated 
> your case up to our engineering team for further review. Thank you for your 
> patience and cooperation in this matter.
> We look forward to getting this issue resolved.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kathryn Cheatwood
> VUDU Customer Care
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/19/2015 09:14 AM
> Hey, any updates?? Still not fixed for me, let alone my 2048 IP's on my 
> customer network.
> 
> Do you really expect every customer of mine using Vudu to perform four trace 
> routes and send them to you individually?
> 
> -Sterling
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/18/2015 11:13 AM
> Ok. If you could really, really please fix this for all of my subnets I would 
> appreciate it.
> They are all going to have the same tracert as my home account except for the 
> first IP line.
> They all route the exact same.
> 
> Here is my tracert:
> 
> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert llgvault.vudu.com
> 
> Tracing route to vudu.re.llnwd.net [68.142.93.133]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
> 
> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
> 2 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
> 3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
> 4.197]
> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2087.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
> 101]
> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
> .66]
> 6 19 ms 19 ms 20 ms be2047.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
> 114]
> 7 26 ms 32 ms 22 ms 38.104.138.74
> 8 50 ms 43 ms 33 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
> 9 34 ms 34 ms 41 ms cdn-68-142-93-133.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.133]
> 
> 
> Trace complete.
> 
> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert lldvault.vudu.com
> 
> Tracing route to vudu-rd.vo.llnwd.net [68.142.93.254]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
> 
> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
> 2 4 ms <1 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
> 3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
> 4.197]
> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2086.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
> 185]
> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
> .34]
> 6 20 ms 20 ms 19 ms be2000.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.
> 106]
> 7 22 ms 22 ms 26 ms 38.104.139.162
> 8 26 ms 23 ms 23 ms ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209]
> 9 33 ms 33 ms 36 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
> 10 43 ms 41 ms 33 ms cdn-68-142-93-254.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.254]
> 
> 
> Trace complete.
> 
> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert llpvault.vudu.com
> 
> Tracing route to vudu-p.vo.llnwd.net [68.142.93.133]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
> 
> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
> 2 1 ms 13 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
> 3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
> 4.197]
> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2087.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
> 101]
> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
> .66]
> 6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms be2047.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.
> 114]
> 7 31 ms 23 ms 24 ms 38.104.138.74
> 8 40 ms 33 ms 38 ms tge2-7.fr3.sea2.llnw.net [69.28.171.146]
> 9 34 ms 34 ms 33 ms cdn-68-142-93-133.sea2.llnw.net [68.142.93.133]
> 
> 
> Trace complete.
> 
> C:\Users\Sterling>tracert startup.vvond.net
> 
> Tracing route to startup.vvond.net [208.79.221.221]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
> 
> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
> 2 1 ms 13 ms <1 ms 69-27-173-89.acedc.net [69.27.173.89]
> 3 2 ms 3 ms 2 ms be4012.ccr21.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.17
> 4.197]
> 4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms be2086.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
> 185]
> 5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.28
> .34]
> 6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms be2000.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.
> 106]
> 7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms zayo.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.194]
> 8 20 ms 42 ms 20 ms ae10.cr2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.31.73]
> 9 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ae3.er2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.28.57]
> 10 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms ae0.er1.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.25.105]
> 11 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms te2-4.cr1.mlp1.peakwebhosting.com [64.124.200.82
> ]
> 12 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 67.221.32.165
> 13 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 208.79.221.221
> 
> Trace complete.
> 
> C:\Users\Sterling>
> Response Kevin W via Email 05/17/2015 01:07 PM
> Hello Sterling.
> 
> I hope this email finds you well.
> To better assist you, we will need to collect a trace route, which will show 
> us a more detailed view of your connection to our servers:
> Windows XP
> Open Start > Run > Type "cmd" and hit "enter"
> When the command prompt loads type in the following commands:
> tracert llgvault.vudu.com
> tracert lldvault.vudu.com
> tracert llpvault.vudu.com
> tracert startup.vvond.net
> Windows  Vista/7/8
> Type "cmd" under the search box on the Start menu
> When the command prompt loads type in the following commands:
> tracert llgvault.vudu.com
> tracert lldvault.vudu.com
> tracert llpvault.vudu.com
> tracert startup.vvond.net
> Mac OSX
> Application Folder > Utilities > Terminal
> Open the terminal and type the following commands:
> traceroute llgvault.vudu.com
> traceroute lldvault.vudu.com
> traceroute llpvault.vudu.com
> traceroute startup.vvond.net
> This will display a screen full of information showing every router the 
> connection passes through to get to its destination and the amount of time it 
> takes to get to each location (this will help our engineers determine any 
> routing issues). To copy this, right click the screen and choose '"Select 
> All'" (or Cntrl+A).  Hold Ctrl + C or the hit the "Enter" button, this will 
> copy this information the white highlighted box will disappear when you do 
> this.
> Please reply to this email with the resulting information so we may 
> investigate your issue further.
> Best regards,
> 
> Kevin W
> VUDU Customer Care
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/16/2015 10:35 PM
> That is total crap. You guys are losing customers and so am I.
> 
> What does that look like for both of us if I have to send around an email to 
> thousands of customers telling them to go to your support page?
> 
> Prove to me that it even works.
> 
> I am on IP 108.165.31.3 and 108.165.31.5.
> 
> Please fix it for my personal network and let me see if we can even get to 
> step one.
> 
> Thanks!
> Sterling
> Response ruribe via Email 05/16/2015 01:26 PM
> Hello Sterling,
> Thank you for contacting Vudu Customer Support.
> Again as stated from the previous agent. We will need to have each VUDU user 
> contact us at the number below to assist them further. We do highly apologize 
> for this inconvenience. Have a great day.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Ruben Uribe
> VUDU Tier II Network Technician
> Open: 7 days a Week, 7AM-8PM PST
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/16/2015 11:10 AM
> No, no proxy or VPN, these /22 blocks are routed directly in Saratoga Springs 
> Utah at a few different sites in the city.
> The public static IP addresses are directly allocated to customer routers.
> 
> I can give you exact GPS coordinates in a KMZ file if that helps.
> 
> I really need someone on your team to step up for my 2048 IP's and get this 
> whitelisted ASAP.
> 
> I'm losing customers, and so are you, because of this Out of Country problem.
> 
> This is not our problem, we've been running for a couple of years just fine 
> until recently.
> 
> Someone, somewhere, got our entire IP space on a list which is WRONG.
> 
> Please, please do something about this.
> 
> Customers are filing FCC complaints now against Vudu regarding this.
> 
> Thanks!
> Sterling
> Response Kevin W via Email 05/15/2015 07:24 PM
> Hello Sterling.
> 
> I hope this email finds you well.
> Thank you for contacting VUDU customer care. To assist you better are you 
> using a VPN or proxy server? If so we do not support either of these on our 
> service. If not we will need to have each VUDU user contact us at the number 
> below to assist further. I do apologize for the inconvenience and we look 
> forward to hearing from you.
> Thank you.
> Best regards,
> 
> Kevin Wolfe
> VUDU Customer Care
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/15/2015 04:09 PM
> None of this helps.
> 
> For these 2048 IP Addresses in our ARIN assigned/SWIPed block we still cannot 
> use Vudu.
> 
> Lots of unhappy customers for us.
> 
> It is also disney and abc using the Amazon AWS go.com services.
> 
> It appears Vudu may also use AWS services/CDN.
> 
> So I suspect there is a master blacklist involved at Amazon that my IPv4 
> blocks are on for some reason.
> 
> I need someone competent on your team at Vudu to figure out how to whitelist 
> our IP ranges ASAP.
> 
> Is that possible?
> 
> Thanks a ton!
> -Sterling Jacobson
> Manager, Avative Fiber
> Avative.net
> Response David S via Email 05/15/2015 09:07 AM
> Hello Sterling,
> I hope this e-mail finds you well.
> There are a couple different possible causes for receiving error #5000. I 
> will provide some further information and troubleshooting below.
> 1. Go to http://adobe.com/go/settmgr_storage_en
> a. In the Website Storage Setting Panel Click the "Delete all sites"
> b. In the Protected Content Playback Settings panel Click the "Reset License 
> Files"
> 2. Uninstall the current version of Adobe Flash Player from your computer
> If you have a mac: 
> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-mac-os.html
> 3. Install Adobe Air - http://get.adobe.com/air/
> 4. Re-install Adobe Flash Player - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer
> 5. Reboot the PC after these installs and try to stream the video again.
> Sometimes switching your web browser will solve this issue. I would suggest 
> using Google Chrome as it automatically updates your Flash player. With some 
> computers, Mozilla Firefox is your best option. We do not suggest Internet 
> Explorer for our web site. If you are already using Google Chrome, try 
> uninstalling it and reinstalling it as an update may not have updated 
> correctly and could also be causing the issue.
> Other possible causes are as listed below;
> -User may be outside of the United States
> -User may be on a public network (Example: Hotel, School, Dorm, Work)
> -User may need to update flash www.adobe.com/downloads
> -Try another browser - or update the current browser.
> -User may be running into a Firewall issue on their home network.
> If any of these apply to you at this time as far as being out of the country 
> or using a public network, then that would be the cause of the error.
> If the issue persists, then it may be a possible firewall issue. Please 
> contact us at our number below and one of our technicians will be happy to 
> assist you.
> Best regards,
> 
> David S.
> VUDU Customer Care
> 7am-8pm PST
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/14/2015 07:44 PM
> Actually it's multiple users on an ISP that I own, Avative Fiber.
> 
> Can you please white list the following IP Ranges?
> 
> Avative Fiber (ARIN AL-464), we need all of our IP's on the following blocks 
> white listed asap.
> 108.165.36.0/22
> 108.165.28.0/22
> It's either handle this one request or thousands of our fiber optic customers 
> and business lines start this same exact request process.
> Let me know if there is something else we can do, or when it will be resolved.
> We've already resolved the issue with Hulu.
> Thanks!
> 
> Sterling Jacobson
> Manager
> Avative Fiber
> Response Kevin W via Email 05/14/2015 05:29 PM
> Hello Sterling.
> 
> I hope this email finds you well.
> There are a couple different possible causes for receiving error #5000. I 
> will provide some further information and troubleshooting below.
> The first step that you can try to resolve this issue, would be to go to:
> 1. http://adobe.com/go/settmgr_storage_en
> a. In the Website Storage Setting Panel Click the "Delete all sites"
> b. In the Protected Content Playback Settings panel Click the "Reset License 
> Files"
> 2. Uninstall the current version of Adobe Flash Player from your computer
> If you have a mac: 
> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-mac-os.html
> 3. Install Adobe Air - http://get.adobe.com/air/
> 
> 4. Re-install Adobe Flash Player - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer
> 5. Reboot the PC after these installs and try to stream the video again.
> We also recommend switching your web browser to resolve the issue if it 
> persists. I would suggest using Google Chrome as it automatically updates 
> your Flash player. With some computers, Mozilla Firefox is your best option. 
> If you are already using Google Chrome, try uninstalling it and reinstalling 
> it, as an update may not have updated correctly and could also be causing the 
> issue.
> If the issue persists, then it may be a possible firewall issue. Please 
> contact us at our number below and one of our technicians will be happy to 
> assist you.
> Best regards,
> 
> Kevin Wolfe
> VUDU Customer Care
> 1-888-554-VUDU (8838)
> [email protected]
> OPEN 7:00 AM to 8:00 PM PST
> Customer Sterling Jacobson (10308805) via CSS Web 05/14/2015 03:56 PM
> Can't watch my Vudu movies on my computer due to some vague error #5000.
> 
> Can you explain?
> 
> Thanks!
> Sterling

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