+100brazillon
On 7/8/2015 9:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
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Let me clarify. Customer has subscribed to a certain speed tier,
let's say 5 Mbps. So LLNW consistently sends 10 Mbps of traffic to
this customer, half of which gets dumped on the floor. Actually half
of the customer's traffic gets randomly dropped, not just the LLNW
traffic.
The #1 problem with this is that one edge provider is inflicting 50%
packet loss on every other edge provider trying to send content to
this end customer. Everything else the customer tried to do, even
loading simple web pages, was dog slow. Not because his Internet
connection was "slow" or because his ISP didn't have enough
bandwidth. But because LLNW was crowding every other provider out.
I don't see how this practice by LLNW is efficient delivery, or how
you interpret this to mean the ISP does not have enough bandwidth.
Unless you interpret selling different speeds at different prices as
not having enough bandwidth.
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control
Yeah ... just think of "whack a mole" here.. you slow down CDN network X
.... this may force the traffic (depending on who is involved here) to
come
from a different node or even a completely different CDN network .. not
sure why LLNW are considered dicks here - their job is to deliver the
content as fast and as efficiently as possible ... ISP job is to have
enough
bandwidth to deliver if possible (I know, loaded statements)....
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control
Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. I
don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. And as
you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links between
towers.
On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a call
with a customer where I was able to identify what content was being
distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought a new
Xbox and it was downloading game updates. He was complaining that the
game update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other
devices was painfully slow.
LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss. I always seem to see almost
exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router. Of
course this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random
50% packet loss, which few applications can tolerate. It is also
consuming our upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the customer
has subscribed to, since we do rate limiting at the tower router.
Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to
catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such
dicks), I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.
