I don't own guns but do have a bow.    I would like to take one down with
an old fashion sling.  Two weights and leather strap ....just for hell of
it.
On Aug 17, 2015 4:37 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The laws haven't caught up to the reality of the situation yet.  I heard
> of a man being arrested for shooting one down when he thought they were
> spying on his daughters in their pool.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> [email protected]
>
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Many ranchers and farmers around here would just as much shoot them down
> if they are on their property.
> On Aug 17, 2015 3:59 PM, "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The laws appear to vary by state, but it looks like you generally would
>> need permission to fly these things over private property, since they have
>> to be below 500' - but I base this all on 5 minutes spent on Google, so I'm
>> likely as not wrong.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Real planes have to maintain a 500 foot separation from vehicles,
>>> buildings and people unless taking off or landing.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 3:45 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
>>>
>>> What rules apply to traditional RC planes, real planes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
>>> *To: *"af" <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 17, 2015 4:42:11 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
>>>
>>> I'm assuming it is, but if they're flying low over my property without
>>> permission, it's pretty much trespassing, isn't it?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can only assume it is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
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>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
>>>> *To: *"af" <[email protected]>
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 17, 2015 1:04:44 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it's illegal to shoot them down if they're flying on your
>>>> property...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Right, but you WANT it to fly home so you can follow it.  At 2.4ghz
>>>>> the operator can't be too far away and you want to find him so you can 
>>>>> shoot
>>>>> him ask him to leave your property
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/17/2015 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there is much bigger fine for jamming those frequencies.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 11:56 AM
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
>>>>>
>>>>> You would have to jam GPS as well, since most will fly home if they
>>>>> lose WiFi contact.  Unless you deauth the pilot’s WiFi and take control of
>>>>> the drone.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 12:53 PM
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, but specifically.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 11:49 AM
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
>>>>>
>>>>> Part15
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/17/2015 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what frequencies they use for the flight controls?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 11:46 AM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No.   Not legal.  He knows it.  I want to see one in action from a
>>>>> scientific point of view.  I know I have enough stuff in batcave to make
>>>>> one.  Simple jammer is to connect several APs with 40 or 80Mhz channels 
>>>>> and
>>>>> cause intentional loop back.   Or video transmitter with larger antenna.  
>>>>> I
>>>>> have done both as demonstration to Physics  class students when I worked 
>>>>> at
>>>>> Tornillo ISD to talk about Faraday cage and RF signal behavior.
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015 11:16 AM, "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are those legal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Friend of mine in the valley ordered a drone jammer. Says teenagers
>>>>>>> from nearby farm flying it over his families pool.    Going to try to 
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> it drop on his property or Rio Grande.   Told him to call me when he 
>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>> it.  Lots of idiots with drones out there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015 10:57 AM, "Steve D" <[email protected] <mailto:
>>>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     The particular fires are in southern BC along the US/Canada
>>>>>>> border
>>>>>>>     from Osoyoos over to Rock Creek/Kettle Valley area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     We've got a temporary service in place relayed from a neighboring
>>>>>>>     WISP now.  It's not a lot, but it's something.  Another community
>>>>>>>     north of there is completely in the dark due to the fires to the
>>>>>>>     south... no phone lines, no power, not even cell.  Logistically,
>>>>>>>     there's nothing we can do for this community right now either.
>>>>>>>     Reports indicate the power company is setting up a generator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     30 homes were lost in Rock Creek so far, and then there's an
>>>>>>>     effin' idiot flying a drone which has caused the air support for
>>>>>>>     the fire to be grounded yesterday. Now *THERE* is someone I hope
>>>>>>>     the black suits find...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     -Steve D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:30 AM, D. Ryan Spott <
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Where are you at Steve?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         ryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         --         D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>>>>>>         broadband | telco | colo | communities
>>>>>>>         PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>>>>>>>         425-939-0047 <tel:425-939-0047>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On Aug 16, 2015, at 12:52, Steve D <[email protected]
>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         We had a bad situation this week where wildfire took out our
>>>>>>>>         upstream's fiber in one valley which we relay wirelessly
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>         to another valley.  We had calls from people angry that we
>>>>>>>>         weren't driving through the roadblocks to fix it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         -Steve D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Ken Hohhof <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             The last row are me during a thunderstorm.
>>>>>>>>             *From:* D. Ryan Spott <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>             *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2015 2:07 PM
>>>>>>>>             *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ;
>>>>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>             *Subject:* [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is
>>>>>>>> down...
>>>>>>>>             Normally these comics are just humor. The 'complain to
>>>>>>>>             your local congressman' is what got me to send it to
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>             group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             ryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             <eijjfgai.png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             --             D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>>>>>>>             broadband | telco | colo | communities
>>>>>>>>             PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>>>>>>>>             425-939-0047  <tel:425-939-0047>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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