Possibly.  Dishes have one really sharp focal point.  
Panels just need to get as much of the area in phase as possible.  You can move 
them off boresight and actually get more signal in a multipath situation than a 
reflector can.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:19 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can you be too close to use a dish?

Integrated wouldn't pick up that much better if it was NLOS.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote:

  Or it's nlos. 

  On Sep 3, 2015 9:37 AM, "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> wrote:

    My point is, at 0.6 miles if he was on main lobe he would have a -40 
something.  Being on a sidelobe gets him the -67.  Shouldn't the dish still add 
10 more db?

    ....unless we're interpreting this as meaning a side lobe of the dish.  
That's possible, but at .6 miles the installer would have to be drunk.



    On 9/3/2015 10:31 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

      Side lobe wouldn't be 10db if the focal point is 10db.  Otherwise you 
could aim on side lobes all day without consequence.

      Josh Luthman
      Office: 937-552-2340
      Direct: 937-552-2343
      1100 Wayne St
      Suite 1337
      Troy, OH 45373

      On Sep 3, 2015 10:29 AM, "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> wrote:

        Maybe I'm crazy, but a 10db antenna will still give 10db if it's aimed 
at a sidelobe won't it?


        On 9/3/2015 10:27 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

          That was one thing that I was thinking about as well. If I got my 
azimuth correct and the guys on the tower got the antenna aligned correctly 
they should be on the outside of the main lobe but we've got two LOS customers 
at .75 and .4 miles that have signals in the -50's.  I expected them to be in 
the -30's or -40's.

          Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

            you are hitting a side lobe .......
            for best results, try to adjust your antenna tilt on the AP.

            (Have someone look at the CPE's (paying attention to the farthest 
ones), and then adjust the tilt on the AP Antenna... so as to best combination 
of signals on the close by cpe's and the far cpe..)


            :)

            Faisal Imtiaz
            Snappy Internet & Telecom
            7266 SW 48 Street
            Miami, FL 33155
            Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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            ----- Original Message -----

              From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]>
              To: [email protected]
              Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:18:43 AM
              Subject: [AFMUG] Can you be too close to use a dish?
              I upgraded a customer to 2.4 ePMP last week that was about .6 
miles from
              the tower.  The signal with just an integrated SM was -67 so I 
decided
              to use one of Chuck's dishes for ePMP but only got an extra 2 to 
3 db
              improvement.   The last time (only time) I used the dish I got 8 
to 10
              db improvement but was about 2 miles from the tower.  Is that too 
close
              to the tower for a dish or is that just the nature of wireless?









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