No, they were approved by congress, but war was never declared - and Bush said at the time that he had the authority to do it without congress...
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Yes... there's quite a lot the president can do without congress... > only congress can declare war, but that hasn't happened since world war 2. > > Hmm, if that is the case, then you are suggesting that Iraq War # 1, #2, > Afganistan, Alqaeda were all unilateral actions by the President ? > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > *To: *"af" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Monday, November 16, 2015 2:08:55 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis > français > > Yes... there's quite a lot the president can do without congress... only > congress can declare war, but that hasn't happened since world war 2. > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> There are a number of actions, under a pretty wide set of circumstances, >> where the US President can act without Congressional approval. All >> Presidents push the boundaries. No one really wants to test the >> Constitutionality of the War Powers Act (it's likely unconstitutional). >> >> Jeff Broadwick >> ConVergence Technologies, Inc. >> 312-205-2519 Office >> 574-220-7826 Cell >> [email protected] >> >> On Nov 16, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> You are half correct. There a number of small facts that you have missed, >> but if you follow the explanation, rightfully so. >> >> News organizations are in the business of making $. The only report what >> they can sell in that particular market. e.g CNN supplies news feeds to the >> world, it's just not the same news feed that they supply to everyone. News >> feed, for the US is very different what they supply to their 'international >> customers' >> >> This is true for all of the news broadcasters. >> BTW, Al Jazeera has been kicked out of many 'Muslim' countries due to >> their coverage and reporting. >> BBC is commissioned by Her Majesty, as such the loyalty to the British >> Empire... >> >> >> >> Here is the part that I don't understand...... >> >> Everything that I know about the US Gov. System, when it comes to >> foreign policy the President cannot take uni-lateral action...it has to >> have the Congress's blessing.. >> So why is it when one is talking about the US's actions, everyone refers >> to it as if the US President is acting like any of the other dictators. >> >> Is is just a way to dump on a President cause he or she is from the other >> party ? >> >> Last time I checked, irrespective of all the rhetoric from Washington, >> all parties were equally responsible for participating in actions which >> have lead to Foreign Policy failure after failure... >> >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> <[email protected]> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Monday, November 16, 2015 12:44:40 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> News as a disinterested third party, is pretty much dead. All news >> organizations have a political leaning including BBC, Al Jazeera, and NPR. >> In many cases it’s not what they report, it’s what they fail to report that >> is just as bad or worse. BBC rarely reports anything negative about the >> British Government and is as bad as the New York Times about not reporting >> anything negative about a Democrat. Of course both of them do it, but the >> amount of time or the amount of resources will be far less than the >> opposite side of the side of the issue. Al Jazeera never reports anything >> bad about the Muslim or Islamic faith and NPR is almost as bad as the BBC >> when it comes to never saying anything about a liberal government. I think >> NBC, CBS, and ABC have the same advisor telling them what negative >> information not to report on Obama for example. As for NPR, they lost all >> credibility with me when they fired Juan Williams because he said something >> their management didn’t like and he is a huge liberal. >> >> >> >> There is an argument now that Google can pretty much influence an >> election by a huge amount by pushing positive news information in their >> search engine about their liberal candidate up while simultaneously doing >> the same thing in a negative light towards a Conservative candidate. >> >> >> >> At this point, it’s pretty much up to us to watch news organizations from >> both sides of the aisle and try to sort out the truth. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Paul McCall >> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 8:11 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> +1. Since we have a pretty good idea of what slant that CNN and Foxnews >> will put on things without looking, respectively, I just glance at that >> both once in a while. BBC is a good choice. >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 9:34 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> BBC is good. Al Jazeera is surprisingly informative and seems to lack >> spin. >> >> I listen to NPR continually. >> >> >> >> Card carrying GOP but am truly libertarian, cannot vote demo primarily >> due to guns and the abortion issue. >> >> >> >> Fox news is like eating a whole bag of halloween candy. After watching >> fox I have to watch some Rachael Maddow to be able to drive straight again. >> >> (In reality, I avoid TV news. Radio and Google News is were most of my >> disinformation comes from). >> >> >> >> I don’t like apologists, religious or otherwise. I like the best truths >> I can find. >> >> I really hate partisan politics. Blood sport all based on pride and self >> aggrandizement. Does nothing for the people. >> >> >> >> *From:* Glen Waldrop <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 7:20 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> You're right on one thing, politics is not as cut and dried as all of >> that. >> >> Obama is a jackass. >> >> Fox news is far from perfect. >> >> As a businessman though I recommend not calling your potential customers >> dumb though. Fox may be a group of liars, but at this point in time they >> are the least biased news source in the US (50% biased vs 100%). Pretty >> much all of the rest of them are brown nosing the left so bad I can't see >> how they haven't suffocated themselves. >> >> When I want news with little BS I tend to lean towards BBC myself. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Patrick Leary <[email protected]> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 7:24 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> The world is such a simple place when everything is Obama’s fault. >> >> >> >> Somebody smashes a glass to the ground. 12 years later, people blinded by >> partisanship blame the person who tried to glue some of the pieces back >> together, but the glass still won’t hold water so it must be his fault. >> Extremely disordered cognitive functioning. >> >> >> >> …Never mind the real subtleties all the “informed” people on the Right >> seem to forget, chief among them that the IRAQI POLITICIANS SAID THE ONLY >> WAY WE COULD KEEP OUR TROOPS IN COUNTRY WAS TO REMOVE THEIR IMMUNITY AND >> MAKE THEM SUBJECT TO LIABILITY AND PROSECUTION. No one on this side of the >> pond wanted that, from the DoD to BOTH parties. Of course, FOX viewers >> either are too dumb to know this or intentionally pretend that was not the >> reality, in order to take yet another “it’s Obama’s fault” grade school >> insult. It’s just way more satisfying or simpler for their juvenile world >> view to believe “it’s Obama’s fault!” What, are you 10 years old? >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/world/middleeast/iraqis-say-no-to-immunity-for-remaining-american-troops.html?_r=0 >> >> >> >> People really need to educate themselves before spewing childish partisan >> memes. >> >> >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:53 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run. >> >> >> >> And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to stop that >> war. And what Ford did at the end is the lesson Obama should have learned >> which could have prevented much of what happened in the Middle East >> including ISIS. Apparently they didn’t teach history to at Harvard. >> Imagine the influence a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would >> have had on the region. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no wholesale bombing >> like WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and the rest of these conflicts, >> last so long. >> The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including those making >> the decisions, to bring it to an end. >> >> But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been been going >> on for about 700 years so it may be to much to expect to be out of war >> again. There may be a lull, but I think the entire world has been drawn >> into the middle East quagmire. >> >> The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend in a couple >> decades. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The problem is that they are basically imbedded with civilians. How do >> you kill them without taking out everyone else. That is the problem we >> have had all along. Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but it’s >> also the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to allow >> wholesale bombing like Nixon did in Vietnam. >> >> >> >> We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we need to do this >> with when we got the local civilians to act as translators and informants >> and abandoned them after the war, the highest profile of them the doctor in >> Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later but the reality is, nobody >> trusts us any more in those regions. We are not a reliable ally. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM >> *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to make a parking >> lot out of them... >> >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> Wireless Systems Architect >> >> 915-861-1390 >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The more of this that happens, the more the rest of the world will unite >> to rub them out. I am a hopeless optimist. >> >> >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM >> >> *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> >> Yes. I am praying for them and the world. What a tragedy.. It is beyond >> barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil. >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >> On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos prières pour tous ceux qui >> sont touchés par cette Sensless actes brabaric . >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]>, "Telrad List" < >> [email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected] >> *Sent: *Friday, November 13, 2015 7:46:29 PM >> *Subject: *[WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français >> >> Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien. >> >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Telrad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wireless mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >
