There was a 2006 op-ed article by then-senator Joe Biden saying we should split Iraq into 3 autonomous regions like Bosnia, rather than pretending a unified central democratic government was realistic. I have long thought he was right. Granted 2 of the 3 regions would probably still have gone to crap or been swallowed up by neighbors, but at least Kurdistan would probably be a great place by now. Everything I hear about the Kurds tell me they are the Cinderella of this story, with their high maintenance evil sisters getting all the attention.
From: Mathew Howard Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:17 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français I have to agree... even if we had stayed in Iraq, there wouldn't be a stable democracy, it just isn't going to work in that part of the world. Six brutal dictators probably would be just about the only way to stabilize the mess. Either that, or we go back and occupy it... forever, which I don't think many people would want to do. On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> wrote: I am no Obama or Hillary fan but I don't think staying would have been all that different in the end. Everyone has failed at peace in the middle East. Everyone will fail. I honestly don't understand why everyone keeps trying. In my opinion the best thing is what you mentioned. We should get with Russia, since they have the inside line on dictators, and find about six really brutal people to take over the middle East. Judging from our Iran experiment we could get maybe forty years of peace. On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:53 AM Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run. And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to stop that war. And what Ford did at the end is the lesson Obama should have learned which could have prevented much of what happened in the Middle East including ISIS. Apparently they didn’t teach history to at Harvard. Imagine the influence a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would have had on the region. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no wholesale bombing like WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and the rest of these conflicts, last so long. The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including those making the decisions, to bring it to an end. But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been been going on for about 700 years so it may be to much to expect to be out of war again. There may be a lull, but I think the entire world has been drawn into the middle East quagmire. The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend in a couple decades. On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: The problem is that they are basically imbedded with civilians. How do you kill them without taking out everyone else. That is the problem we have had all along. Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but it’s also the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to allow wholesale bombing like Nixon did in Vietnam. We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we need to do this with when we got the local civilians to act as translators and informants and abandoned them after the war, the highest profile of them the doctor in Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later but the reality is, nobody trusts us any more in those regions. We are not a reliable ally. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM To: Animal Farm <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to make a parking lot out of them... Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: The more of this that happens, the more the rest of the world will unite to rub them out. I am a hopeless optimist. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français Yes. I am praying for them and the world. What a tragedy.. It is beyond barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil. Jaime Solorza On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> wrote: Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos prières pour tous ceux qui sont touchés par cette Sensless actes brabaric . Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>, "Telrad List" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:46:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien. 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