They're talking about concealed carry with a permit. They are already
submitting to a form of gun control by bothering to get a permit.
I'm not entirely sure how the articles about open carry are related,
other than they're both gun related issues.
I have personally never felt the need to carry a gun, but I can
understand how it might make people feel safer depending on their
circumstances.
On 12/7/2015 11:58 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
I’ll just note this is a pathetic thread to have in any society that
considers itself civil. Hell, even in the “wild west” the local law
had people check their weapons into the sheriff when they came into
town. In fact, formerly, states like Texas lead the country in banning
open carry.
“All the more surprising, then, that Texas was the first state to ban
its citizens from carrying handguns, a restriction that remained on
the books for 125 years.”
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/First-to-ban-open-carry-Texas-could-be-one-of-5974401.php
And just read this scholarly article from 1999:
*Gun Control and the Old West*
By Ross Collins
History News Service <http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/%7Ehns/index.html>,
Summer 1999.
The smoke has cleared, and we peer down at the victim: another gun
control bill, shot full ‘o holes. Just like in the old horse operas: a
hero again shoots to protect a precious freedom, America’s right to
bear arms. For many who keep a romantic image of America’s past, gun
control is like that, a battle steeped in American tradition. It calls
us back to those legendary days of the Old West, when cowboys defended
their honor and their horses by way of their Colts
.
In fact, most historians see the cowboys of the Old West as THE
defining heroes of 20th-century America. He’s used to sell everything
from soap to hats. He’s apparently also an ideal American for anti-gun
control groups: gun shows and gun advertising promote from a
distinctive Old West flavor.
Today’s anti gun control forces count their strongest support among
society’s leaders from the states that once formed part of the Old West.
The actual Old West pioneers of historical fact viewed matters
differently, however. They would certainly hail the campaign to
protect an American right to bear arms, but the record puts them
behind "moderate, common-sense measures" for gun control—the very kind
that President Clinton has proposed.
Pioneer publications show Old West leaders repeatedly arguing in favor
of gun control. City leaders in the old cattle towns knew from
experience what some Americans today don't want to believe: a town
which allows easy access to guns invites trouble.
What these cow town leaders saw intimately in their day-to-day
association with guns is that more guns in more places caused not
greater safety, but greater death in an already dangerous wilderness.
By the 1880s many in the west were fed up with gun violence. Gun
control, they contended, was absolutely essential, and the remedy
advocated usually was usually no less than a total ban on pistol-packing.
The editor of the Black Hills Daily Times of Dakota Territory in 1884,
called the idea of carrying firearms into the city a “dangerous
practice,” not only to others, but to the packer himself. He
emphasized his point with the headline, "Perforated by His Own Pistol."
The editor of the Montana’s Yellowstone Journal acknowledged four
years earlier that Americans have "the right to bear arms," but he
contended that guns have to be regulated. As for cowboys carrying
pistols, a dispatch from Laramie’s Northwest Stock Journal in 1884,
reported, "We see many cowboys fitting up for the spring and summer
work. They all seem to think it absolutely necessary to have a
revolver. Of all foolish notions this is the most absurd."
Cowboy president Theodore Roosevelt recalled with approval that as a
Dakota Territory ranch owner, his town, at the least, allowed "no
shooting in the streets." The editor of that town's newspaper, The Bad
Lands Cow Boy of Medora, demanded that gun control be even tighter
than that, however. Like leaders in Miles City and many other cow
towns, he wanted to see guns banned entirely within the city limits.
A.T. Packard in August 1885 called "packing a gun" a "senseless
custom," and noted about a month later that "As a protection, it is
terribly useless.”
Old West cattlemen themselves also saw the need for gun control. By
1882, a Texas cattle raising association had banned six-shooters from
the cowboy's belt. "In almost every section of the West murders are on
the increase, and cowmen are too often the principals in the
encounters," concurred a dispatch from the Texas Live Stock Journal
dated June 5, 1884. "The six-shooter loaded with deadly cartridges is
a dangerous companion for any man, especially if he should
unfortunately be primed with whiskey. Cattlemen should unite in aiding
the enforcement of the law against carrying of deadly weapons."
This echoes President Clinton’s reaction following the failure in
Congress of the most recent gun control proposals: “The American
people will not stand for this.” So far they have, however, as
recalled by the record of defeated attempts to legislate control. As
U.S. Rep. Martin Sabo (D.-Minn.) noted, “there’s broad public support
for it, but he opponents are much more intense about it.”
The Old West’s leaders who argued for gun control knew that a long
time ago. Their arguments sound as contemporary at the end of this
century as they were earnest at the end of the last. But despite them,
few packers have been persuaded to put away their pistols, then or now.
Copyright 2004 by Ross F. Collins <www.ndsu.edu/communication/collins>
Wayne LaPierre sure has done his job well. He’s made most of you
fooled into thinking owning a gun is a patriotic act without you
realizing you are just another tool for raking in the dough. He’s been
so successful he’s converted gun ownership into a religious issue, to
point that whether or not you own a gun is highly predictive of your
being an evangelical Christian.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/is-gun-ownership-christian/2013/01/25/c7afe7fe-6724-11e2-93e1-475791032daf_story.html
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2015 11:38 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
and why
I carry a Colt 45 Defender. It is relatively small for a 45. An NSA
buddy of mine, who had been in several close range shootouts in his
career asked me one time why I carry a 45. I told him that I'd never
been in a firefight. I don't train in high pressure situations, and
while I'm proficient at the range, I don't train for situations like
he did or the cops do. If I am in a situation where I have to pull a
gun, my adrenaline is going to be pumping like crazy, and I may be
moving to cover or trying to stay out of the way of bullets myself. I
may only hit what I'm shooting at once if I'm lucky. I want the once
to count.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
define legally
If a bear shits in the woods, will tight shoes cause callouses?
I dont know why any of you want these killing machines, the
government has guns, and we pay them to protect us. Your gun, if
you hand it to a bad guy, is 100% of the time going to be in the
bad guys possession, and if that bad guy happens to be 5, youve
just given a child a handgun, are you saying we should arm
children? Why are you trying to kill children, children are the
future, teach them well and let them lead the way.
Imperialist scum be furthering decline humanity. Mighty leader
will devour you in fear.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Can you legally own hand grenades?
*From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, December 07, 2015 9:15 AM
*To:*af <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which
to buy and why
you do if you want to conceal it... :P
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You don’t need a CC to carry a Springfield 30-06....
*From:*Paul McCall <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, December 07, 2015 9:03 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which
to buy and why
I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so. I
took an absolutely excellent class from the main trainer
at the Brevard county sheriff’s office.
Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my
long barrel Colt 38 is not a good fit for that.
I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of
expertise (and many opinions) on THE gun to use.
J
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