Here’s a general comment, not to you Steve. One may stand a chance in a self-defense situation if you are armed. Maybe. People seldom act as they think they will, and nearly all over estimate their skill level under duress. I trust a combat veteran’s opinion of his would-be reaction (or one who has been in a situation dealing with an armed assailant), all the rest I think you are quite possibly fooling yourself.
That aside, in an active shooter situation, here’s what’s certainly a real potential outcome for any “good guy with a gun.” This outcome is exactly why the concealed carrying army vet in Oregon stayed out of the situation http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/10/02/vet-with-concealed-weapon-explains-why-he-didnt-shoot-in-umpqua; he knew he’d likely have been shot by SWAT who, gee whiz, for some odd reason are unable to tell the difference between a “good guy” with a gun and a “bad guy” just by looking at them. The police in this case are claiming this exiting hostage did not follow orders to drop his weapon. Time slows in a stressful situation and cops are human. Officers may really believe they gave a person time to comply, but video often shows this is not the case. In any event, this “good guy with a gun” who saved his co-worker is dead, shot by the cops. http://wbay.com/2015/12/05/neenah-police-respond-to-hostage-situation-at-eagle-nation-cycles/ Patrick From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 11:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why The US has a much bigger criminal problem than gun problem. We have too many programs that were designed to help that ended up abused so we drop a certain chunk of society down into a hole where criminality is rampant. We have these programs in those holes, but arent allowed to build ladders On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Christopher Tyler <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: But if you look it that list carefully, it includes one and two victim crimes, which constitute the majority of the shootings in the U.S. Those crimes arguably would have happened even without access to a gun. People have been killing each other since the beginning of time. If you want to kill someone, a gun is only one tool among many. People in the UK somehow still manage to kill each other (some with firearms) even with very restrictive gun controls in place. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107<tel:417.851.1107> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Prince" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:45:10 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why I think the original statement is true. Looking down the list, it goes: US Scotland Australia US Yemen US US US US US US US US US Canada US US US ... bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/8/2015 7:07 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: > There should be a 'just' in there... :) > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
