Brett, You need to decide if you're a hobby WISP or a growing, career WISP. If you have less than 100 customers, then by all means continue doing what you're doing but I'd say at the 100 mark, you're ready to start with a billing platform mentioned on the list so you can grow faster.
Start adding more customers so you can afford the solution. Even at a $250 monthly minimum, it should only take 5-7 customers to recoup that amount so it's not alot. Sonar only has a $125 monthly minimum. It is also not $125 plus customer count, it is only that the monthly amount is no less than $125 or 100 customers total. On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield < [email protected]> wrote: > It makes perfect sense to not pay a minimum monthly fee for software that > so sold. If you're managing it all of the time then yes, that makes sense > to pay monthly. My issue isn't with paying for a product or with a monthly > cost. My issue is with charging a per sub AND a minimum monthly cost. My > per sub doesn't ever come close to the minimum monthly cost for pretty much > anyone. > > I did say it's break even, I didn't say it's a business. It's break even > IF I'm the only one to use it. It will be profitable if anyone uses it, > though the profit will be low. I'm not doing this to start a business. I'm > doing this so that people with fewer than 100 customers have an easy to > deploy, and easy and cheap to use option. That is it. I never said that > those of you with larger solutions are doing anything wrong or that you > have poor products. I don't agree with that model, but if I had 300+ > customers I could completely see a use case for those products like > powercode, wispmon, platypus, etc. But for me and most WISPs with fewer > than 100 customers, those solutions make zero sense. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Because if you're making software that you sell and manage a one time fee > doesn't work. > > You're wanting to make a product that breaks even. That simply makes no > business case. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Dec 9, 2015 4:44 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The research I did was very extensive. Wispmon in particular has their >> pricing right on their website (which I love by the way. I wish everyone >> would). >> >> You say that billing is the most important part of my business. I >> respectfully disagree. It is actually one of the least important. The >> product I'm selling is by far the most important, and the customer service >> is next. Billing only happens after the first two are met. >> >> You mentioned several other things: >> >> *"I'm curious to what other systems you have in place that handle things >> like mapping, monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect >> qualification, inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble >> tickets, scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, >> reporting, and more in addition to billing?"* >> >> With the small size of my company this is all very easily managed with >> simple (and free) spreadsheets. So this argument is irrelevant to me. When >> I get to a size where it is no longer easily managed, then and only then >> will I start to pay for a service that can provide that (it will not be >> until then that my business can afford to pay for it). >> >> You then offer advice to pay for this stuff from the beginning. Not >> everyone is going to model their business in the way you think or society >> thinks it should be. My business model is very, very different from the >> norm. It's people that deviate from the "accepted standard", the ones that >> think outside the box, that tend to do really well. My idea of success and >> my idea of what and how a business should operate are not the same as >> yours. >> >> Billing is something that should not be this difficult and expensive. Why >> should I pay 5% of my revenue to someone that does nearly nothing??? If I >> take what wispmon charges, add that to what it cost me to run a payment, >> and then take out my operating costs, the likelihood of there being much >> left is very low. The credit card companies already steal almost 3% before >> I even pay the gateway company. Why are there so many different people >> involved to make is to I can collect $45 from my customer? >> >> I really like what stripe, swipe, and PayPal have done by basically >> taking one of the people out of that. The only problem is that they aren't >> set up well for monthly recurring payments. That is what I intend to close >> the gap on. >> >> Anyone who charges by the sub or has a monthly minimum so high that it >> isn't worth it does not have a business model I agree with. >> >> I had seriously considered wispmon, but quickly ruled them out as soon as >> I realized that you charge more for BYO Merchant account. I already have a >> merchant account and have no interest in paying $200 to sign up for a new >> one I have no experience with, or pay en extra $0.30 per sub per month >> because I want to use someone I already use and trust. >> >> Another problem with Wispmon is that the main website looks like it was >> built by using someone's free template that was simply modified old using >> basic HTML code. If that is the impression I get from the main website, >> what kind of product could they possibly be giving me? Will it look good? >> Will it be based on old code too? Will it be easy to use? Too many >> questions right off the bat. I'm not at all saying that this is how it is, >> just saying that perception is reality. My first impression wasn't good, so >> that sets the tone for the rest. >> >> You then went on to give me unsolicited advice as if to tell me how to be >> running my business. My question was not why I should or shouldn't do >> something, it was simply what options are out there. I've asked this >> question several times and have done very extensive research on several >> products. I didn't go that deep into wispmon because of my very first >> impressions. And now after the email you sent out I will never consider it >> again in the future. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm curious what your review consisted of? To my knowledge, you never >> contacted us to ask any questions even after an offlist invitation. It >> seems if you are going to the trouble of creating something new, you would >> at least perform an exhaustive analysis meaning you are talking to someone >> to ask questions. I understand you think that perhaps the most important >> piece of your business should be free or close to it, but is that really >> where you want to skimp? Having owned a wisp for 8 years starting in 2003 >> and sold to JAB in 2010, and actually been where you think you are now, >> when there really were few platforms available, I would have jumped at the >> chance to pay under $1 (or maybe slightly more) per sub to have all the >> capability that most of the current systems currently have. I'm curious to >> what other systems you have in place that handle things like mapping, >> monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect qualification, >> inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble tickets, >> scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, reporting, and >> more in addition to billing? If you are using separate systems for all of >> these things, then it is probably costing you more than what you would pay >> for a single platform which does all of these things. I know you say you >> are small and if you are doing all of these things manually or with >> multiple platforms, there will be a day when that won't scale and you will >> either be killing yourself trying to keep up, or spending far more than you >> think to make it all work. My advice would be to do a bit more real >> research before you dig into rolling your own. Talk to people who have been >> in your shoes and were adverse to spending money on a good system. I tell >> people who are evaluating different systems, that even if they don't choose >> us, choose one of the ones out there. If you are just getting started, it >> is the best decision you will make. It is much easier to get in at the >> beginning than to convert later. The hardest part of being a self-starting >> entrepreneur is knowing when to let go of certain things and either pay >> someone to do them, or pay to get them out of the way so you can get down >> to growing your business. This I know for sure, as it is the hardest part >> for me. >> >> Cameron >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Brett A Mansfield < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> To be clear, this will not be a standard in any way. It's just to fill a >>> need where I see one. Something for the little guys like myself. This will >>> not be a solution for those big customers since it will be limited to >>> billing/CRM. >>> >>> I'm not doing this for profit. I'm doing this on the side and the >>> numbers should make it break even. >>> >>> Eric, I really like that comic strip, it is exactly what I was thinking >>> when I thought of doing this. Haha. >>> >>> There is NOTHING on the market like it though. Something that works, >>> that is nearly free, that is for the very small guys where every single >>> penny counts. >>> >>> If nobody in the world uses this system but me, then I'll still feel it >>> was worth my time. My partners are volunteering their time and so am I, so >>> our cost will be very low to develop this. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good luck. It certainly has been tried before... >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> So, after a lot of review of every billing solution I can find out >>>> there, I've come to the conclusion that there is no good billing system. >>>> Everything out there either requires you use their merchant, has a minimum >>>> monthly cost, or isn't really designed for the ISP. Even the stuff that has >>>> come out most recently isn't a good fit. >>>> >>>> For those of you who are smaller and don't want to pay a monthly >>>> minimum, or want to use your choice of merchant, or don't want to pay a per >>>> user charge, something new will be coming soon! >>>> >>>> I've spoken to a few proven software engineers in the financial side of >>>> things and we are partnering up to develop a new ISP billing software. It >>>> will be turnkey, very easy to use, and can be deployed either by you on >>>> your servers, or can be hosted on ours. It will only handle >>>> billing/invoicing and CRM/ticketing. Best of all, it's practically free! >>>> >>>> More details to come. I'll keep you posted when we have more info. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Welcome to 2014? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Monday, December 7, 2015 1:32:33 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>> >>>> Ubiquiti has a CRM? >>>> >>>> On 12/7/2015 2:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: >>>> >>>> It's funny you mentioned waveapps. That is what I started out with. It >>>> was a disaster. And the fact they don't allow multiple email addresses for >>>> recurring invoices was a major deal breaker for me. >>>> >>>> I've since moved to UBNTs airCRM. It is an excellent setup on paper, >>>> but is seriously lacking currently and is very erratic. I need something >>>> solid, secure, and that I don't have to worry about all the time. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists < >>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Plat has excellent support >>>> >>>> In my opinion, the problems with plat are: >>>> 1) The user interface is a pain in the butt and generally discouraging. >>>> 2) The software depends on a Windows platform and even worse direct >>>> database connections from the client. >>>> >>>> 1) In most places when you want to alter something like customer data >>>> you have to click on the field to edit from a table and then go to the top >>>> to make the change in something that is like an address bar… of course you >>>> can get used to this but Plat is full of non-user friendly quirks like >>>> this. It reminds me of what it feels like to go back and use Windows 95 or >>>> Windows 3.1 when I am used to modern operating systems. The system feels >>>> almost like directly editing a database except that the software does >>>> enforce logical edits so it is not nearly as dangerous as direct database >>>> minupulation. >>>> >>>> 2) If you want to run a good highly available platform then you will be >>>> spending a lot on software licensing with Microsoft. What is the going >>>> rate for a MSSQL cluster now of days? Of course you can throw this on old >>>> rusty crusty in a closet and run the free version of MSSQL but we are >>>> carriers not hacks right? Also you are depending on ODBC database >>>> connections between your clients and the server. Opening direct database >>>> connections to my billing server gives me the creeps even if it is only >>>> open to a network under my administration. I’m a fan of local host db >>>> access only except for database peers. I would really like to see ISP >>>> billing software be web based using standard https protocols and having no >>>> client side dependencies like odbc configurations and client executables. >>>> Try using Plat on a tablet… I don’t want my billing platform holding back >>>> my ability to creatively design my installation process… >>>> >>>> >>>> I feel like I am ragging on Plat… maybe I am a bit but I want to >>>> underscore their support. They are truly exceptional to work with and you >>>> can rely on their platform. Just don’t expect to enjoy using it. If you >>>> like function over form then you may be a perfect match for Plat… I just >>>> wish they would do some magic to address the above two complaints. >>>> >>>> My recommendation to them is to become database & OS agnostic (at least >>>> MySQL or MSSQL and run on Apache) and to make the client interface be 100% >>>> standards compliment browser based. I suspect if they don’t do this they >>>> will find themselves with a EOL product in the next few years. >>>> >>>> Right now there are really good options emerging like WaveApps. Wave >>>> offers free billing including credit card processing at fair rates. They >>>> don’t fit perfectly with an ISP (yet) but they are promising an API which >>>> means that a good solutions provider can crank out an integrations solution >>>> with Wave for front end billing. I am also super excited to see what Sonar >>>> has to offer. I hope their offer is solid and we have a glorious solution… >>>> >>>> >>>> At any rate I am waiting with bated breath to see where this lands over >>>> the next few months. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Joshaven Potter >>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA >>>> Google Hangouts: [email protected] >>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I can setup Platypus for billing only in less than an hour, including >>>> setting up plans/rates/services/importing customers. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That get's to be a little in depth and probably a loaded >>>>> question...but I know when we moved to Powercode the old team that wasn't >>>>> very good had it done in one afternoon. This was from Quickbooks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Ken Hohhof < <[email protected]> >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Are you including database conversion? Items, customers, current >>>>>> balances, recurring billing, credit cards, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then there’s setting up the online customer payment portal. >>>>>> Especially if customers already had online accounts. And you need to >>>>>> hook >>>>>> it into your merchant account, put your logo on it, test it, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 05, 2015 2:24 PM >>>>>> *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm simply saying 2 days is a long time to setup a billing system. >>>>>> For someone that wants it running "immediately" 2 days is a LONG time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Philip Rankin < >>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey, I'm not in this for an argument. I am just offering to help a >>>>>>> guy out if I can. I'll bow out of this conversation. >>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015 1:37 PM, "Josh Luthman" < >>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two days??? Powercode takes like an hour. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Philip Rankin < >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Guys, I am still a major believer in Tucows Platypus. Brett, I >>>>>>>>> could have you up and running with Plat in under 2 days as long as >>>>>>>>> you can >>>>>>>>> answer speed and pricing questions as I ask them. And all I would >>>>>>>>> need is >>>>>>>>> remote access to a Windows 7 computer. Let me know if you are >>>>>>>>> interested. >>>>>>>>> Most of the training can be done remotely in less than a day, too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Simon Westlake < >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think it is still pretty early on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 6:22 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I guess it does that...lol. I wasn't really expecting it to >>>>>>>>>> be like that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's not very baked ? or am I missing something? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Chuck Hogg < <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I meant for the admin side? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just guessing.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Drop down on top right, select signup/create account ! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, December 4, 2015 4:25:07 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know how to login to his demo? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Simon Westlake < >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 10:08 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't Spencer Lambert's web front-end free? Last time I saw >>>>>>>>>>>>> him at Animal Farm he was touting it and said he would help with >>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and >>>>>>>>>>>>> customization at a flat rate of $100/hr. He is located in Utah, >>>>>>>>>>>>> also. If >>>>>>>>>>>>> you want something cheap or free that may be an option. It would >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> be worth contacting him. I recommend Powercode. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been looking at <https://www.whmcs.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.whmcs.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend that uses it for his ventrillo voice business >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it does auto billing and ticketing and is cheap. I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hosted solution if you don't want to install it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig schmaderer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM -0800, "Brett A Mansfield" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is what I've always said about quality, cheap and fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can only pick two. You will never have all three. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For this I need fast and quality. Cheap is relative in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> case. I don't have a lot of customers so the $200/mo min that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> visp requires >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is about $100-150 too much for me. I'm fine with a reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one time fee, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it must be reasonable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used to use waveapps to just invoice and then customers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could pay using the invoice. But if they didn't get the email or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they couldn't pay their bill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate everyone's input on this. I think I'm going with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> platypus and pay someone to set it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like powercode, I just cannot justify the initial cost for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my small size operation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Chris Fabien < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good, cheap, and fast? You know what they say about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are reasonably happy with Powercode. Few gripes but it has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never double or triple charged our customers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2015 1:35 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a good billing solution that is cheap and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can have up in running immediately. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had far too many issues with my current billing system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need something turnkey and cheap. My WISP is a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small operation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not willing to pay per sub, especially if there is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum like visp. I don't want to buy any new hardware. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platypus, but it cannot be deployed easily or quickly. I looked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powercode, but I don't want to buy any new hardware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anything out there that might fit my needs? Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should I just go back to manual invoicing with quickbooks? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Philip J. 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