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On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > Mother of God... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Dec 11, 2015 10:19 AM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> *So we have a MS-Access Frontend* >> >> jesus christ. >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Stefan Englhardt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> We started at a time where there was no usable billing system on the >>> market. So we have to do this on our own. >>> >>> Still there is no good solution for us as we use debit advice to get the >>> money and we need german language ... >>> >>> We started with customers doing the payment on there own but this is >>> very very annoying. >>> >>> >>> >>> So we have a MS-Access Frontend with mysql backend and java programs to >>> get accounting data from routers and feed it into the database. Nameserver >>> configurations are feeded from the main database, telefony data is synced >>> with our telefony provider, Domainorders are automated, … >>> >>> >>> >>> Lot of work over the years but found no product which does all what we >>> want/need. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Von:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Baird >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 11. Dezember 2015 13:27 >>> *An:* [email protected] >>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Yep, very well said. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> a huge number of people on this list seem to be absolutely determined to >>> reinvent the wheel for things like billing systems. there is nothing about >>> a WISP that makes a billing system particularly different than what any >>> major ISP needs. >>> >>> what's wrong with whmcs and its myriad of different available payment >>> processors? you pay something like $20/month total. >>> >>> it's amazing that companies with anywhere from 100 to 3000 subscribers >>> think they need to create from scratch a new billing system that meets >>> needs which have not been previously resolved in billing software used by >>> ISPs with 20,000 , 50,000 or 400,000 customers. Just because you do >>> wireless last mile PtMP with radios and not ADSL2+/VDSL2 or DOCSIS2/DOCSIS3 >>> cable does not mean that your billing and provisioning system should be any >>> different. >>> >>> this is exactly like people who want to stick to THE DUDE and mikrotik >>> based proprietary monitoring software that only runs on windows. You >>> seriously think large ISPs with 50,000 customers are using that stuff? >>> Look at OpenNMS and similar software that is under active development for >>> use by major backbone operators. You want something special? Develop a >>> plugin for opennms, don't marry yourself to a vendor specific monitoring >>> software like the dude. >>> >>> It is always the singlehomed small customer ISP that thinks its needs >>> are so wildly different than the major operators. The small guys who >>> wouldn't know an IX peering fabric from a potato want to reinvent the >>> wheel. *We're special* so we need this weird email software that >>> somehow meets our special needs, we're too good to run postfix and dovecot >>> like a normal ISP. >>> >>> >>> >>> stop and consider for a moment that if you need to reinvent the wheel to >>> meet the needs of your special messed up business process, you have: >>> >>> a) created an unsustainable unscaleable business that will never be able >>> to grow beyond your small local market. >>> >>> b) created something that no sane large ISP would want to acquire due to >>> the ridiculous number of man hours required to yank out your special-sauce >>> custom system and replace it with industry standard monitoring, billing and >>> infrastructure systems. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:01 AM, SmarterBroadband < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Brett >>> >>> >>> >>> Take a look at K-Billing.com >>> >>> >>> >>> It costs $99 one time. No more to pay. Runs on a PC. Works with many >>> merchants. We have used it for our WISP billing system for close to 10 >>> years. >>> >>> >>> >>> Should do what you want. Easy and works. Just billing, nothing else. >>> >>> >>> >>> We are close to 2,000 customers now and moving to PowerCode. >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Brett A >>> Mansfield >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:03 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> It makes perfect sense to not pay a minimum monthly fee for software >>> that so sold. If you're managing it all of the time then yes, that makes >>> sense to pay monthly. My issue isn't with paying for a product or with a >>> monthly cost. My issue is with charging a per sub AND a minimum monthly >>> cost. My per sub doesn't ever come close to the minimum monthly cost for >>> pretty much anyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> I did say it's break even, I didn't say it's a business. It's break even >>> IF I'm the only one to use it. It will be profitable if anyone uses it, >>> though the profit will be low. I'm not doing this to start a business. I'm >>> doing this so that people with fewer than 100 customers have an easy to >>> deploy, and easy and cheap to use option. That is it. I never said that >>> those of you with larger solutions are doing anything wrong or that you >>> have poor products. I don't agree with that model, but if I had 300+ >>> customers I could completely see a use case for those products like >>> powercode, wispmon, platypus, etc. But for me and most WISPs with fewer >>> than 100 customers, those solutions make zero sense. >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Because if you're making software that you sell and manage a one time >>> fee doesn't work. >>> >>> You're wanting to make a product that breaks even. That simply makes no >>> business case. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Dec 9, 2015 4:44 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The research I did was very extensive. Wispmon in particular has their >>> pricing right on their website (which I love by the way. I wish everyone >>> would). >>> >>> >>> >>> You say that billing is the most important part of my business. I >>> respectfully disagree. It is actually one of the least important. The >>> product I'm selling is by far the most important, and the customer service >>> is next. Billing only happens after the first two are met. >>> >>> >>> >>> You mentioned several other things: >>> >>> >>> >>> *"I'm curious to what other systems you have in place that handle things >>> like mapping, monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect >>> qualification, inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble >>> tickets, scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, >>> reporting, and more in addition to billing?"* >>> >>> >>> >>> With the small size of my company this is all very easily managed with >>> simple (and free) spreadsheets. So this argument is irrelevant to me. When >>> I get to a size where it is no longer easily managed, then and only then >>> will I start to pay for a service that can provide that (it will not be >>> until then that my business can afford to pay for it). >>> >>> >>> >>> You then offer advice to pay for this stuff from the beginning. Not >>> everyone is going to model their business in the way you think or society >>> thinks it should be. My business model is very, very different from the >>> norm. It's people that deviate from the "accepted standard", the ones that >>> think outside the box, that tend to do really well. My idea of success and >>> my idea of what and how a business should operate are not the same as >>> yours. >>> >>> >>> >>> Billing is something that should not be this difficult and expensive. >>> Why should I pay 5% of my revenue to someone that does nearly nothing??? If >>> I take what wispmon charges, add that to what it cost me to run a payment, >>> and then take out my operating costs, the likelihood of there being much >>> left is very low. The credit card companies already steal almost 3% before >>> I even pay the gateway company. Why are there so many different people >>> involved to make is to I can collect $45 from my customer? >>> >>> >>> >>> I really like what stripe, swipe, and PayPal have done by basically >>> taking one of the people out of that. The only problem is that they aren't >>> set up well for monthly recurring payments. That is what I intend to close >>> the gap on. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone who charges by the sub or has a monthly minimum so high that it >>> isn't worth it does not have a business model I agree with. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had seriously considered wispmon, but quickly ruled them out as soon >>> as I realized that you charge more for BYO Merchant account. I already have >>> a merchant account and have no interest in paying $200 to sign up for a new >>> one I have no experience with, or pay en extra $0.30 per sub per month >>> because I want to use someone I already use and trust. >>> >>> >>> >>> Another problem with Wispmon is that the main website looks like it was >>> built by using someone's free template that was simply modified old using >>> basic HTML code. If that is the impression I get from the main website, >>> what kind of product could they possibly be giving me? Will it look good? >>> Will it be based on old code too? Will it be easy to use? Too many >>> questions right off the bat. I'm not at all saying that this is how it is, >>> just saying that perception is reality. My first impression wasn't good, so >>> that sets the tone for the rest. >>> >>> >>> >>> You then went on to give me unsolicited advice as if to tell me how to >>> be running my business. My question was not why I should or shouldn't do >>> something, it was simply what options are out there. I've asked this >>> question several times and have done very extensive research on several >>> products. I didn't go that deep into wispmon because of my very first >>> impressions. And now after the email you sent out I will never consider it >>> again in the future. >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious what your review consisted of? To my knowledge, you never >>> contacted us to ask any questions even after an offlist invitation. It >>> seems if you are going to the trouble of creating something new, you would >>> at least perform an exhaustive analysis meaning you are talking to someone >>> to ask questions. I understand you think that perhaps the most important >>> piece of your business should be free or close to it, but is that really >>> where you want to skimp? Having owned a wisp for 8 years starting in 2003 >>> and sold to JAB in 2010, and actually been where you think you are now, >>> when there really were few platforms available, I would have jumped at the >>> chance to pay under $1 (or maybe slightly more) per sub to have all the >>> capability that most of the current systems currently have. I'm curious to >>> what other systems you have in place that handle things like mapping, >>> monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect qualification, >>> inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble tickets, >>> scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, reporting, and >>> more in addition to billing? If you are using separate systems for all of >>> these things, then it is probably costing you more than what you would pay >>> for a single platform which does all of these things. I know you say you >>> are small and if you are doing all of these things manually or with >>> multiple platforms, there will be a day when that won't scale and you will >>> either be killing yourself trying to keep up, or spending far more than you >>> think to make it all work. My advice would be to do a bit more real >>> research before you dig into rolling your own. Talk to people who have been >>> in your shoes and were adverse to spending money on a good system. I tell >>> people who are evaluating different systems, that even if they don't choose >>> us, choose one of the ones out there. If you are just getting started, it >>> is the best decision you will make. It is much easier to get in at the >>> beginning than to convert later. The hardest part of being a self-starting >>> entrepreneur is knowing when to let go of certain things and either pay >>> someone to do them, or pay to get them out of the way so you can get down >>> to growing your business. This I know for sure, as it is the hardest part >>> for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Brett A Mansfield < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> To be clear, this will not be a standard in any way. It's just to fill a >>> need where I see one. Something for the little guys like myself. This will >>> not be a solution for those big customers since it will be limited to >>> billing/CRM. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not doing this for profit. I'm doing this on the side and the >>> numbers should make it break even. >>> >>> >>> >>> Eric, I really like that comic strip, it is exactly what I was thinking >>> when I thought of doing this. Haha. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is NOTHING on the market like it though. Something that works, >>> that is nearly free, that is for the very small guys where every single >>> penny counts. >>> >>> >>> >>> If nobody in the world uses this system but me, then I'll still feel it >>> was worth my time. My partners are volunteering their time and so am I, so >>> our cost will be very low to develop this. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good luck. It certainly has been tried before... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> So, after a lot of review of every billing solution I can find out >>> there, I've come to the conclusion that there is no good billing system. >>> Everything out there either requires you use their merchant, has a minimum >>> monthly cost, or isn't really designed for the ISP. Even the stuff that has >>> come out most recently isn't a good fit. >>> >>> >>> >>> For those of you who are smaller and don't want to pay a monthly >>> minimum, or want to use your choice of merchant, or don't want to pay a per >>> user charge, something new will be coming soon! >>> >>> >>> >>> I've spoken to a few proven software engineers in the financial side of >>> things and we are partnering up to develop a new ISP billing software. It >>> will be turnkey, very easy to use, and can be deployed either by you on >>> your servers, or can be hosted on ours. It will only handle >>> billing/invoicing and CRM/ticketing. Best of all, it's practically free! >>> >>> >>> >>> More details to come. I'll keep you posted when we have more info. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Welcome to 2014? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> *http://www.midwest-ix.com* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <*[email protected]*> >>> *To: **[email protected]* >>> *Sent: *Monday, December 7, 2015 1:32:33 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>> >>> Ubiquiti has a CRM? >>> >>> On 12/7/2015 2:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: >>> >>> It's funny you mentioned waveapps. That is what I started out with. It >>> was a disaster. And the fact they don't allow multiple email addresses for >>> recurring invoices was a major deal breaker for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> I've since moved to UBNTs airCRM. It is an excellent setup on paper, but >>> is seriously lacking currently and is very erratic. I need something solid, >>> secure, and that I don't have to worry about all the time. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists < >>> *[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> Plat has excellent support >>> >>> >>> >>> In my opinion, the problems with plat are: >>> >>> 1) The user interface is a pain in the butt and generally discouraging. >>> >>> 2) The software depends on a Windows platform and even worse direct >>> database connections from the client. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) In most places when you want to alter something like customer data >>> you have to click on the field to edit from a table and then go to the top >>> to make the change in something that is like an address bar… of course you >>> can get used to this but Plat is full of non-user friendly quirks like >>> this. It reminds me of what it feels like to go back and use Windows 95 or >>> Windows 3.1 when I am used to modern operating systems. The system feels >>> almost like directly editing a database except that the software does >>> enforce logical edits so it is not nearly as dangerous as direct database >>> minupulation. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2) If you want to run a good highly available platform then you will be >>> spending a lot on software licensing with Microsoft. What is the going >>> rate for a MSSQL cluster now of days? Of course you can throw this on old >>> rusty crusty in a closet and run the free version of MSSQL but we are >>> carriers not hacks right? Also you are depending on ODBC database >>> connections between your clients and the server. Opening direct database >>> connections to my billing server gives me the creeps even if it is only >>> open to a network under my administration. I’m a fan of local host db >>> access only except for database peers. I would really like to see ISP >>> billing software be web based using standard https protocols and having no >>> client side dependencies like odbc configurations and client executables. >>> Try using Plat on a tablet… I don’t want my billing platform holding back >>> my ability to creatively design my installation process… >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I feel like I am ragging on Plat… maybe I am a bit but I want to >>> underscore their support. They are truly exceptional to work with and you >>> can rely on their platform. Just don’t expect to enjoy using it. If you >>> like function over form then you may be a perfect match for Plat… I just >>> wish they would do some magic to address the above two complaints. >>> >>> >>> >>> My recommendation to them is to become database & OS agnostic (at least >>> MySQL or MSSQL and run on Apache) and to make the client interface be 100% >>> standards compliment browser based. I suspect if they don’t do this they >>> will find themselves with a EOL product in the next few years. >>> >>> >>> >>> Right now there are really good options emerging like WaveApps. Wave >>> offers free billing including credit card processing at fair rates. They >>> don’t fit perfectly with an ISP (yet) but they are promising an API which >>> means that a good solutions provider can crank out an integrations solution >>> with Wave for front end billing. I am also super excited to see what Sonar >>> has to offer. I hope their offer is solid and we have a glorious solution… >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At any rate I am waiting with bated breath to see where this lands over >>> the next few months. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Joshaven Potter >>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA >>> Google Hangouts: *[email protected]* >>> Cell & SMS: *1-517-607-9370* >>> >>> *[email protected]* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chuck Hogg <*[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I can setup Platypus for billing only in less than an hour, including >>> setting up plans/rates/services/importing customers. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Josh Luthman < >>> *[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> That get's to be a little in depth and probably a loaded question...but >>> I know when we moved to Powercode the old team that wasn't very good had it >>> done in one afternoon. This was from Quickbooks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: *937-552-2340* >>> Direct: *937-552-2343* >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Ken Hohhof <*[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> Are you including database conversion? Items, customers, current >>> balances, recurring billing, credit cards, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> Then there’s setting up the online customer payment portal. Especially >>> if customers already had online accounts. And you need to hook it into >>> your merchant account, put your logo on it, test it, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* *Josh Luthman* >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 05, 2015 2:24 PM >>> >>> *To:* *[email protected]* >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm simply saying 2 days is a long time to setup a billing system. For >>> someone that wants it running "immediately" 2 days is a LONG time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: *937-552-2340* >>> Direct: *937-552-2343* >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Philip Rankin <*[email protected]*> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey, I'm not in this for an argument. I am just offering to help a guy >>> out if I can. I'll bow out of this conversation. >>> >>> On Dec 5, 2015 1:37 PM, "Josh Luthman" <*[email protected]*> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Two days??? Powercode takes like an hour. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: *937-552-2340* >>> Direct: *937-552-2343* >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Philip Rankin <*[email protected]*> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Guys, I am still a major believer in Tucows Platypus. Brett, I could >>> have you up and running with Plat in under 2 days as long as you can answer >>> speed and pricing questions as I ask them. And all I would need is remote >>> access to a Windows 7 computer. Let me know if you are interested. Most >>> of the training can be done remotely in less than a day, too. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Simon Westlake <*[email protected]*> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think it is still pretty early on. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/4/2015 6:22 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>> >>> So I guess it does that...lol. I wasn't really expecting it to be like >>> that. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not very baked ? or am I missing something? >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Chuck Hogg <*[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> I meant for the admin side? >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>> *[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> Just guessing.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Drop down on top right, select signup/create account ! >>> >>> >>> >>> :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: *305 663 5518 x 232* >>> >>> Help-desk: *(305)663-5518* Option 2 or Email: >>> *[email protected]* >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" <*[email protected]*> >>> *To: **[email protected]* >>> *Sent: *Friday, December 4, 2015 4:25:07 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>> >>> Anyone know how to login to his demo? >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Simon Westlake <*[email protected]*> >>> wrote: >>> >>> *https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control* >>> >>> On 12/4/2015 10:08 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>> >>> Isn't Spencer Lambert's web front-end free? Last time I saw him at >>> Animal Farm he was touting it and said he would help with setup and >>> customization at a flat rate of $100/hr. He is located in Utah, also. If >>> you want something cheap or free that may be an option. It would probably >>> be worth contacting him. I recommend Powercode. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>> *[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> I've been looking at *https://www.whmcs.com/* >>> >>> I have a friend that uses it for his ventrillo voice business and it >>> does auto billing and ticketing and is cheap. I think you can get a hosted >>> solution if you don't want to install it. >>> >>> Craig schmaderer >>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM -0800, "Brett A Mansfield" < >>> *[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> Here is what I've always said about quality, cheap and fast. >>> >>> >>> >>> You can only pick two. You will never have all three. >>> >>> >>> >>> For this I need fast and quality. Cheap is relative in this case. I >>> don't have a lot of customers so the $200/mo min that visp requires is >>> about $100-150 too much for me. I'm fine with a reasonable one time fee, >>> but it must be reasonable. >>> >>> >>> >>> I used to use waveapps to just invoice and then customers could pay >>> using the invoice. But if they didn't get the email or lost it, they >>> couldn't pay their bill. >>> >>> >>> >>> I appreciate everyone's input on this. I think I'm going with platypus >>> and pay someone to set it up. >>> >>> >>> >>> I like powercode, I just cannot justify the initial cost for my small >>> size operation. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Chris Fabien <*[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> Good, cheap, and fast? You know what they say about that. >>> >>> We are reasonably happy with Powercode. Few gripes but it has never >>> double or triple charged our customers. >>> >>> On Dec 4, 2015 1:35 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" < >>> *[email protected]*> wrote: >>> >>> I'm looking for a good billing solution that is cheap and I can have up >>> in running immediately. >>> >>> I've had far too many issues with my current billing system. >>> >>> I need something turnkey and cheap. My WISP is a fairly small operation. >>> >>> I am not willing to pay per sub, especially if there is a minimum like >>> visp. I don't want to buy any new hardware. I looked at platypus, but it >>> cannot be deployed easily or quickly. I looked at powercode, but I don't >>> want to buy any new hardware. >>> >>> Is there anything out there that might fit my needs? Or should I just go >>> back to manual invoicing with quickbooks? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Simon Westlake >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> >>> Email: *[email protected]* >>> >>> Phone: *(702) 447-1247* >>> >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>> >>> *https://sonar.software* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Simon Westlake >>> >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> >>> Email: *[email protected]* >>> >>> Phone: *(702) 447-1247* >>> >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS >>> >>> *https://sonar.software* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Philip J. 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