Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installation commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11 years. Also, what are you doing for storage?
Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years. From: Rory Conaway<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them though. Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around the corner (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than a few years (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium batteries or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading after 18 months, I’m onboard. As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m more worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for religious reasons. You can teach science and morality without ignoring the science. Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council members)... who happen to share the same last name. It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council should be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are logical or not isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have been that it would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the residents did want it to happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it down because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably will) be voted out in the next election. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from the article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you find that anywhere. Patrick Leary wrote: Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know the meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are repeating sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course, even in contradiction without a trace of irony. …e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a Kenyan born Muslim. Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board in Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015. http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/ Patrick *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM *To:* [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote that is based on research and education. I can ask 10 people what the Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize him and his position in the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of our country’s history, could tell you the difference between Democracy, Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the resources available to the public today, the average voter is more ignorant today than in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them could name off their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state of our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe fits...don't take it off. On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two opposite opinions at the same time. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself. Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns. I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the entire market cornered on that trait? On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz or Trumps... On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Lets fact check Rory....lol On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold influence in that State Department for billions and took hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political topic. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real among other things but I might offend some on list... On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules. -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: Lewis Bergman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00) An: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
