Not the packet loss, the Winbox acting up part. Assuming they are two issues, of course.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 3, 2016 7:52 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t follow your logic. > > Upgrade from 5.x to 6.x, and packet loss goes from 0% to 0.5%. No Winbox > involved. How can that be a Winbox issue? > > The only reason to bring up Winbox is that the problem interferes with > Winbox traffic so bad that you can’t even download plugins from the router, > so it makes a good test. By no means does it have to be part of the setup > for the problem to occur. > > > *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 03, 2016 5:30 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M Ethernet > links > > > That doesn't mean it isn't an issue... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Jan 3, 2016 6:11 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Not a Winbox issue. >> >> I can connect a laptop with its NIC forced to 100FDX and see ping loss. >> I also see devices downstream of a 100M interface on this router that I >> monitor for packet loss and starting when this router was changed, the >> packet loss graphs went from essentially zero to around 0.5%. >> >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 03, 2016 5:03 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M >> Ethernet links >> >> FYI I use Winbox 2.2.18 100% of the time since 11/3/2011 - maybe try that? >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I get the same results with Winbox 3.0 or Winbox 2.2.13. Note this >>> problem shows up as on other stuff not just Winbox, it's just easy to test >>> with Winbox because it shows up easily as disconnects or failure to load >>> plugins. >>> >>> Note that I can use Winbox fine through an interface running at gigabit, >>> or I can Winbox through this router to another Mikrotik via a 100M >>> interface, the stress on the interface seems to be when the packets are >>> originating from this router itself and trying to go out a 100M interface. >>> But I also see low level packet loss on normal traffic through the >>> interface, although it doesn't show up as drops or errors in the stats. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 4:35 PM >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M Ethernet >>> links >>> >>> Are u using the new version of winbox ? >>> i.e. ver 3.0 ? there are issues with older version of the Winbox too. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 4:03:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M Ethernet >>>> links >>>> >>> >>> I tried multi-queue Ethernet default and it didn't work, even with queue >>>> size increased to 500 packets. >>>> >>>> 5.26 still works fine. Best way to see problem is to clear Winbox >>>> cache so >>>> it has to download plugins. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 11:02 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M Ethernet >>>> links >>>> >>>> Don't forget to reboot the unit after making the queue changes. >>>> >>>> Also I would suggest to reach out to Brian Vargas @ Balticnetworks and >>>> see >>>> if they have any suggestions and or if they can replicate what you are >>>> seeing. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:27:45 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M Ethernet >>>>> links >>>>> >>>> >>>> I thought about the first part but didn't try it, I'll try it on the lab >>>>> router tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> No, I don't see anything reported in the stats, as far as they are >>>>> concerned, everything is good. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 10:17 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M Ethernet >>>>> links >>>>> >>>>> Try something.... >>>>> >>>>> change the interface queue to multi-queue-Ethernet-default >>>>> and increase the queue size packet buffer for it. (it should be mq >>>>> pfifo) >>>>> >>>>> Do you see errors / packet loss being reported in the stats ? >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 8:09:46 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M >>>>>> Ethernet >>>>>> links >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I downgraded to 6.25 and still saw the problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't really want to go back any farther, likely the issue started >>>>>> with >>>>>> the new kernel and drivers when 6.x first came out. I figure if I >>>>>> can't >>>>>> run >>>>>> any of the recent versions, I might as well go back to 5.26. Unless >>>>>> someone >>>>>> knows of a specific cause and how to fix it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Kevin Radunz >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M >>>>>> Ethernet >>>>>> links >>>>>> >>>>>> I think some weard problems started around 6.33. There are posts of >>>>>> different topics about things like Winbox and VPN traffic not working >>>>>> but >>>>>> traffic through the device was fine. Some thought MTU changes but I'm >>>>>> not >>>>>> sure I saw concrete fixes. I know earlier versions don't do this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I recently upgraded one of those RouterMaxx 1106 routers from 5.2 to >>>>>>> 6.33.1 >>>>>>> (I actually configured a new router and swapped hardware). Ever >>>>>>> since, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have had performance problems with a couple ports that are connected >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> radios with 100M Ethernet ports. The most obvious symptom is that >>>>>>> Winbox >>>>>>> won't stay connected or can't download plugins, but I also see pings >>>>>>> dropped >>>>>>> even to the directly connected equipment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was a bad boy making multiple changes at once, so I've been >>>>>>> gradually >>>>>>> walking them back in the lab on the original router, I upgraded it to >>>>>>> 6.33.1 >>>>>>> and the problem appeared. I dropped back to 6.31 and it was still >>>>>>> there, >>>>>>> but when I dropped back to 5.26 everything was fine again. I haven't >>>>>>> tried >>>>>>> earlier 6.x versions yet, 6.31 is the oldest x86 version I have >>>>>>> handy. >>>>>>> This >>>>>>> is not a radio problem, I can reproduce it with a directly connected >>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>> if I force the laptop NIC to 100M FDX. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with this problem? I can't find anything on the >>>>>>> Mikrotik >>>>>>> forums. I guess I can live with 5.26 if I have to, but I'd like to >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> what is causing this. Do I just need to change some configuration >>>>>>> parameter? I know 6.x brought out hardware only queues, but I think >>>>>>> that's >>>>>>> for Routerboards, not x86. Is there a problem with the Intel NIC >>>>>>> drivers >>>>>>> included with 6.x? Any chance that an earlier or later version of >>>>>>> 6.x >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> work for me? I see nothing in the change logs about it. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
