Think he just finished writing a book! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell [email protected]
> On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > I’ve only ever run into one bug with Cisco. It was fairly minor, but I > opened a TAC case. It was resolved in the next release, and I got an email > from them to tell me it had been resolved. > > The big guys also tend to have 2 release tracks, like Cisco has the M and T > tracks. The term “latest stable release” actually means something. You > might need the latest T track release for some bleeding edge feature or > hardware, otherwise you are unlikely to run into bugs, and if you do, the bug > is probably documented. > > They also are unlikely to tell you (like Mikrotik) that you need to upgrade > to the latest FW to get any support. Of course the difference is paid vs. > free + community support, I don’t really fault Mikrotik for this. But given > how often Mikrotik releases new FW with major new bugs, asking you to upgrade > first is like telling you to jump from the frying pan into the fire. It > doesn’t resolve your original bug, but now you have several major new ones, > and you hope that you can downgrade successfully. > > It’s kind of like the ongoing debate about RedHat which is stodgy enterprise > software vs other Linux distributions where you don’t have to wait years for > the latest features but also have to accept some risks and rely on the > community for support. > > > From: Mike Hammett > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > I never said Mikrotik was at the total performance scale of the others. I'm > saying that there are major bugs or feature modifications on multiple > platforms by the big guys that go ignored, just like we have. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > From: "Paul Stewart" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 7:51:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > Hmmm.. disagree on that one. I have been part of those conversations for > years (including at NANOG amongst other places) and everyone has opinions of > course…. > > Microtik doesn’t make anything remotely even close to the scale of what a > typical “international operator” uses in their core network – it’s not the > market use they were designed for. So, of course there’s always going to be > someone sitting at a table complaining about the support costs of Cisco, > Juniper etc and all the issues they have…. But that’s not a good comparison > to bring Microtik into the conversation. > > In my $$job, we typically run Cisco Nexus 7k/5k/2k for switches and Juniper > MX2010/MX480/MX240 for routing. Between those two specific vendors I can > tell you that we only have a handful of tickets open for anything of serious > nature. Those tickets are escalated to their engineering groups who > replicate the problems, work on fixes, test the fixes, and deploy them in > upcoming release. Now I’m not suggesting these companies are perfect … far > from it … but they have the resources and capabilities to work with us to > resolve the problems – some of these issues are very “corner case” problems > that we sometimes joke about “why is it always us that finds these issues?”. > The support is very expensive sure, but that’s the cost of doing business, > and for me I want that support backing for the business. > > Paul > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > The #1 thing I learned at NANOG was that the big vendors are just as full of > shit as the little vendors. Cisco, Juniper, AlcaLu, etc. are all just as > likely to ignore problems and create bugs as Mikrotik, Ubiquiti, etc. > > When sitting at a table at about 1 AM one night with a head engineer with one > international operator and one national operator I said something to the > effect of, "I've just largely been listening to you guys comparing notes on > different products and issues you've had. I use Mikrotik routers in my > network and people often say they are junk and that Cisco, Juniper, etc. are > the way to go. Those vendors are exactly who you guys use and yet here you > are with the same type of complaints as we have with our vendors." The one at > the international vendor chimed in, "and we pay 10x more for that right." > > Don't lose sight of that. > > For example, Cisco is known for having Ethernet chipset incompatibility > issues.... which is exactly what this sub-topic has been about. > > > To think otherwise is simply blind arrogance. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:49:12 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > This is sort of an illustration of why I am still very wary of Mikrotik for > routers. > > There's a myriad of Cisco routers available with 12 to 20 SFP-based GbE > interfacess (used/refurb) that are just as capable, if somewhat bigger and > hotter, that run very stable versions of IOS. It's totally unacceptable for > Cisco to break basic functionality for $HUGE_ISP and > $HUGE_ENTERPRISE_CUSTOMER , which are usually using the same IOS trains I use > for service provider functions. > > Mikrotik OS software support is pretty much "hey go over to this forum and > hope somebody answers your question", if something is broken you are just > supposed to wait for a new version release in a month or two. If something is > fundamentally broken in a version of IOS used by a mature (6+ year old) Cisco > platform it's almost certain that somebody much bigger and more important > than yourself has already run into the issue, escalated it with Cisco, and a > new build fixing the bug is available. > > If the space and power are available I would much rather have a 6503E with > dual supervisor than a CCR.... > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: > This just gets even better. Worked 24 hours, then breaks again. Up to Level > 4 tech support. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:56 AM > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > We are taking it to the Mikrotik forum. This makes no sense since we have 12 > of the already running with no issues. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > I’m not terribly happy with ROS since 6.29. > > Maybe it’s just still not 100% yet. > > > > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > Replaced the Mikrotik routers with an Airrouter, it works. Replaced with an > Edgerouter, still works. This goes under the category of WTF. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > We tried 3 Mikrotik routers, 2 cable modems, and two radios from two > different manufacturers. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > MTU? > > Last time I had that problem was an inconsistent Ethernet connection. It > wasn’t showing errors, but UDP was dropping packets. TCP retransmitted. > > UDP was screwy, but TCP was downloading at the limit of the wireless feed. > > > > > > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > Nailed the problem down to the Mikrotik router having a problem with DNS > caching whether it’s Cox or Google. Not sure where to go from there since > the other 12 don’t have a problem. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > We had raons bit no dangling cables. Level 3 says no errors to the modem and > we had a tech out already. We are changing the 2011 to a 450 just to confirm > before we eacalate further. > > > > Rory Conaway > Triad Wireless > > Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: That One Guy /sarcasm <[email protected]> > Date: 1/11/2016 10:38 AM (GMT-07:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > If it just started and youre in an area hit by storms, some of the neighbors, > mostly the empty houses with no tenants at this point, cable was busted down > by tree limbs and is dangling terminated byt the mud now > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Glen Waldrop <[email protected]> wrote: > Likely an RF issue on the cable side. > > I see this sort of thing with the company I consult for. They’ll have me > going through the router, trying to shut down the “virus” or peer to peer > when it is thousands and thousands of retransmits and broken packets. > > Just like our wireless it can have good quality until loaded, then watch the > quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection. > > > > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > The Netgear router has nothing to do with it, I was just using their website > as an example of downloading a file. It’s computer, 2011, cable modem, the > world. I just can’t download anything from any sites. What’s weird is they > just drop. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router? They used to have a problem > with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago. The fix was to > disable SPI Firewall. > > > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download > > We have a cable circuit that can do everything except download. There is a > Mikrotik router between the computer and the cable modem. Haven’t tested > taking the router out yet but we have tried 2 routers, same results. > Basically, downloads either don’t start or start and then just crash. > Game machines can’t update, even downloading a 20MB file from netgear fails. > Everything else seems to work. Any ideas would be helpful. > > Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO > 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 > 602-426-0542 > [email protected] > www.triadwireless.net > > “Life is full of unfair calls, missed plays, and bad catches. But true > baseball players keep on playing” - Lessons from Baseball > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > >
