What amazes me is the change in technology versus what people went
through. The experience I'm talking about happened to me in 1968, not
quite 50 years ago.
At that time, I wore some kind of parka, and cotton long underwear, and
cotton jeans. The boots must have been pretty good, but I don't remember
what they were.
Just a couple years later, I was wearing poly-pro underwear and a full
snowmobile suit. the differences from a comfort level were like night
and day. In fact, I would joke that the suit made it uncomfortable above
-10° F.
bp
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On 1/17/2016 7:29 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I'll bet. I tried to go snow skiing about ten years after my frostnip.
When I got back inside my feet ached something fierce. My wife put her
warm hands on then and it felt like she was burning them with a blow
torch.
Bummer.
They say whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Actually it
just makes you a little weaker and less capable each time until you
are finally just a worthless old man.
Maybe I'll go hand some scotch even though it is early ;)
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 9:22 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Maybe because I was a young buck or something? Maybe it was
getting put in the tepid water after I got home? I don't know. We
started working on the snowmobiles around midnight, and rigged
them up on boards on top of the slush around 2AM. Got home around
3AM, at which point we were doing the tub/water thing.
It was pretty traumatic.
bp
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On 1/17/2016 7:17 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
If you had skin fall of that is frostbite. Maybe not a severe
case but worse than I had. I could barely walk for about two weeks.
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 9:08 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'd never heard of frostnip. They did turn color over the
soles, so maybe it was just the beginning. I remember my feet
being really sensitive for a while afterward, and skin did
sluff off the bottoms. No toe damage other than the darker
color (not black, and I didn't lose any toes). They look kind
of normal now.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/17/2016 6:22 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Unless your skin turned black it wasn't frostbite, it was
frostnip. I have had it twice and it still hurts like hell
but the skin doesn't die off. It does permanently change
though. My toes still have a shiney, slick appearance they
didn't have before.
But I'll give you this, as long as you never thaw those
extremeties you can operate at a decent level. Once thawed
and you actually have had some nerve damage it is impossible
to walk, for instance, without looking like you are barefoot
on sharp glass.
Having said all that I hadn't considered that maybe the real
story had them frozen the entire time and then just had to
get various parts cut off.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016, 9:44 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's not impossible to be in freezing water for longer
periods of time.
When I was a teenager, I and a friend got a couple of
snowmobiles stuck in 18" of frozen slush when the temp
was between -10 and -20 (about -10 when we got the
snowmobiles stuck, and about -20 two hours later when we
gave up trying to get them completely out).
We both fell in several times, and when we got back to
the nearby cabin we were both near hypothermia. My jeans
were coated with about a 1" thick layer of ice, and my
boots had frozen to my feet.
When my Dad got me home, my parents had to cut off both
the jeans and the boots. They put me in a tub of tepid
water until I started looking more normal. I did suffer
some frostbite, and my feet still get cold faster than
about any other part of my body.
None-the-less, I am living proof you can get wet in
freezing water, and survive at least a couple of hours.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/16/2016 4:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, I was in 32 degree water with ice floating on it
two times. Once for about 90 seconds and once for
about 2 minutes. It is an emergency for certain.
*From:* Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler
Yea. The most obvious flaw was the ability to jump out
of freezing water and just traipse around. You have to
at least strip down and get dry clothes on to survive.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016, 5:29 PM Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Revenant
Things bugged me in Gravity.
Similar things bugged me in Revenant.
While a true story, they were oblivious to the
effect of hypothermia and cold water exposure in
the winter.
And that old story of climbing inside the carcass
of a large mammal to get warm has been proven false
many times. The animal gets cold about as quick as
a steak taken off the grill in cold weather.
Hunters know that they cool off pretty quick.
Certainly would not retain heat all night long.
Could provide shelter though.
OK, I guess. It appeared to have been lots of work
to make. Leo did a good job.
