So if you’re looking to sell your WISP, make sure to value your IPs 
accordingly.. Or don’t include them as part of the sale, hold onto them for a 
few years while they go up in value and sell them later?  Might be better 
returns than your IRA :)

Interesting fact, Charter sold a local cable plant to TDS and TDS in taking 
over had to bring their own IPs. The sale of the customers and assets did NOT 
include the IPs.

-c

> On Jan 20, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ <http://www.ipv4auctions.com/>
> 
> .. is a popular marketplace for IPv4.  No, it's not cheap.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting theirs. 
> $10/ip
> 
> On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.
> 
> 
> 
> But I can’t.
> 
> 
> 
> ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
> way to obtain it.
> 
> I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much as 
> possible to avoid crap like this.
> 
> I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.
> 
> 
> 
> I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
> 
> But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
> country, lol!
> 
> 
> 
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
> Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
> Netflix
> 
> 
> 
> Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
> correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
> perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
> likely to contain VPN endpoints.
> 
> I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
> It may be that.
> 
> 
> 
> I get my IPv4 from a data center.
> 
> They are my upstream provider.
> 
> The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.
> 
> 
> 
> I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a year 
> ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same 
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
> issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).
> 
> 
> 
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
> Netflix
> 
> 
> 
> If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
> That may be part of the story.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Sterling Jacobson <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
> 
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
> Netflix
> 
> 
> 
> Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.
> 
> 
> 
> So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.
> 
> 
> 
> Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?
> 
> Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.
> 
> 
> 
> I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
> details.
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.
> 
> 
> 
> Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
> 
> I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.
> 
> 
> 
> So I’m stuck without their help.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
> Behalf Of timothy steele
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
> Netflix
> 
> 
> 
> Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget 
> over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there 
> telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
> Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your 
> users are having issues watching content
> 
> On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
> Try NANOG?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
> Anyone else start getting these calls today?
> 
> My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.
> 
> But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
> Proxy or using an Unblocker.
> 
> Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming 
> it on the ISP.
> 
> I'm sick of this crap.
> 
> The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, 
> probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a 
> datacenter.
> 
> I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several others.
> 
> Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by 
> whitelisting my IPs.
> 
> Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team of 
> engineers and they fixed it.
> 
> On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, "What 
> is a public IP block?"
> 
> :(
> 
> 
> 
> 

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