Oops.
Still not Powerball money.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:05 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

255 * 10 is $2.5k

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 20, 2016 9:57 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:

  That sounds like a lot to the buyer.

  But I have a customer sitting on a pre-ARIN /24 (not sure if those can be 
sold the same way), but I wouldn’t even suggest he sell it for $200.  Not worth 
the time and trouble.  It’s like the people who email me offering $150 for a 4 
letter domain I own, ignore the fact I wouldn’t sell it for less than $10K, why 
would I even spend my time on the paperwork for that little money?  I assume 
the brokers take their cut as well.


  From: Paul Stewart 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:52 AM
  To: [email protected] 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

  There’s lots of companies doing this… perhaps too many …



  At NANOG in Montreal I was tracked down by their “sales vultures” from 
several companies where they told me I “must” purchase IP blocks from them .. I 
kind of chuckled and politely told them where to fly to .. 



  $6-$8 per IP address is what I’m hearing/seeing .. 



  From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:03 AM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix



  isnt there an exchange now where people can sell their IP4 for small rapes?



  On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    I got a v4 block in May 2015...






    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340
    Direct: 937-552-2343
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373



    On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> 
wrote:

      Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.



      But I can’t.



      ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was 
no way to obtain it.

      I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much 
as possible to avoid crap like this.

      I’m sure that comes with its own problems though.



      I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.

      But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some 
foreign country, lol!



      From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
      Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
      To: [email protected]
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for 
blocked Netflix



      Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take 
your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. >From 
Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are 
more likely to contain VPN endpoints.

      I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.



      On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> 
wrote:

        It may be that.



        I get my IPv4 from a data center.

        They are my upstream provider.

        The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.



        I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a 
year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the same 
time.



        All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer 
have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).



        From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
        Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for 
blocked Netflix



        If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks 
from?  That may be part of the story.



        From: Sterling Jacobson 

        Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM

        To: [email protected] 

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for 
blocked Netflix



        Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy.



        So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.



        Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me?

        Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.



        I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream 
and details.



        Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.



        Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.

        I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.



        So I’m stuck without their help.



        From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of timothy steele
        Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for 
blocked Netflix



        Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on 
Engadget over a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when 
there telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth  



        On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> 
wrote:

          Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and 
your users are having issues watching content

          On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

            Try NANOG?

            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340
            Direct: 937-552-2343
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

              Anyone else start getting these calls today?

              My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still 
work.

              But several of my customers are now calling in saying their 
Netflix is VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker.

              Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these 
customers, blaming it on the ISP.

              I'm sick of this crap.

              The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get 
another, probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going 
through a datacenter.

              I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and 
several others.

              Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my 
problem by whitelisting my IPs.

              Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the 
correct team of engineers and they fixed it.

              On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions 
was, "What is a public IP block?"

              :(











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