Looks like the remains of pedestal foundations for dishes the same age and era as the Jamesburg dish, which is becoming increasingly rotted/rusted as the current owner is determined to sell it, but only for a very high price:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamesburg_Earth_Station http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/02/earth-station-the-afterlife-of-technology-at-the-end-of-the-world/252454/ http://www.jamesburgdish.org/ http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2012/01/for-sale-nuclear-bomb-proof-space-station-in-carmel-valley.html In modern satellite telecommunications it's useless, as any money in the range of $150-200k that could be put into refurbishing it (such as for C-band SCPC services to South Pacific island nations that are within transponder reach of the US west coast) would be better spent on a new-build modern 13 meter Andrew/Commscope dish. Or on a triplet set of redundant 3.5 meter size o3b terminals (active/active/standby spare) and the lower monthly cost of o3b service. On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > Supposedly this one was dismantled: > > http://long-lines.net/places-routes/HanoverCS_IL/index.html > > but the dishes or some remains of them still seem visible on Google > Earth. I seem to remember the list will not allow .kmz attachments, but > here are the coordinates: > > 42°18'35.02"N, 90°21'25.38"W > > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:13 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines > > I find it interesting how the very oldest C-band satellite earth stations > (like Brewster, WA) were usually located in very remote/rural areas and > even intentionally in valleys to shield them from terrestrial emissions. > Brewster was such a great site for a quiet earth station that there is a > huge radio telescope colocated just a couple of km away further down the > valley. > > In the modern era with tight RPE Ku and Ka-band earth station dishes it's > totally feasible to put a 4.5m Tx/Rx dish on the roof of a building in or > near a major metro area (example: the recently built Ka-band sites located > near Spokane, WA and Denver, CO) and make efficient use of spectrum without > much worry about interference. > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Hardy, Tim <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 4 GHz is still a fixed point-to-point band, but it’s extremely difficult >> to engineer anything new due to the thousands of satellite ground stations >> that share the band on a co-primary basis. The HFT crowd has been >> coordinating 4 GHz between Chicago and New York and it will be interesting >> to see if any of this actually gets built. >> >> >> >> Engineering 6 GHz point-to-point can be just as difficult in many areas >> due to co-primary satellite uplinks that are licensed full-band, full arc. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:11 PM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines >> >> >> >> The great Chuck has spoken...probably read something similar in CQ rag >> when God was a baby.. >> >> On Jan 28, 2016 12:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> There was a time when C band satellite shared spectrum with terrestrial >> microwave. In a town I grew up near, they had a hard time with their first >> HBO TVRO installation due to a Pacific Northwest Bell radio a few blocks >> away. >> >> >> >> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:03 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines >> >> >> >> They regularly did 6 and 11 common carrier bands. I don't remember what >> 4GHz was paired with, possibly 8GHz. >> >> On 1/28/2016 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> They made some crazy circular feeds for those horns. You could put a >> very wide range of frequencies through them and with the correct feed, you >> can have many radios and many different bands on all at the same time. >> >> >> >> *From:* Erich Kaiser <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2016 6:26 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines >> >> >> >> More info on the Horns >> >> >> >> >> http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/wiring-diagrams/doc_view/8708-402-421-100-i3 >> >> >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> [email protected] >> >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Erich Kaiser < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> We deployed 6ghz microwave utilizing the horn antennas, they require >> maintenance but, work really well...That was the network I sold to JAB/T6. >> They have no idea how that stuff works or any care to learn... >> >> >> >> >> https://www.google.com/search?q=KS-15676+microwave&rlz=1C2GGGE___US556US556&biw=1920&bih=911&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJp9vxq8vKAhUmvIMKHSrKBMIQ_AUICSgE&dpr=1#imgrc=8xtXypST-6HK4M%3A >> >> >> >> I still have waveguide parts(Keeping) and circular waveguide(Which is >> going to the scrap yard) >> >> >> >> Awesome stuff... Still CatA for 6ghz. >> >> >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> North Central Tower >> >> [email protected] >> >> Office: 630-621-4804 >> >> Cell: 630-777-9291 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> there is a "Long Lines" coffee table book. >> >> For all of you that would like to geek out on some antenna porn ;-) >> >> >> >> http://spencerjharding.com/project/the-long-lines/ >> >> >> >> http://spencerjharding.com/books/the-long-lines/ >> >> >> >> -sean >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> There are some amazing Long Lines sites in WA and ID that serve almost no >> useful purpose, now that all long distance traffic moves via fiber... The >> ones closer to major metro areas have more tenants and more value to their >> new owners. >> >> The Long Lines sites that were built solely as a means to get a PTP relay >> over a major mountain range are amazing. Built with massive diesel tanks >> and ventilation intakes 18' off the ground due to snow pack. These ones >> have the original horn antennas and not much else, maybe some VHF/UHF omni >> radio repeaters for forestry/national parks. >> >> Bethel Ridge WA, about 1820 meters elevation >> https://www.google.com/maps?ll=46.71724,-121.10068&z=14&t=h >> >> Goldendale WA >> https://www.google.com/maps?ll=45.99800,-120.69536&z=14&t=h >> >> Leadore ID, one of the highest I can find, it's at 2750m elevation >> https://www.google.com/maps?ll=45.99800,-120.69536&z=14&t=h >> >> Bring a snow-cat in winter.... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have a bunch I took of a Long Lines concrete tower in Springfield, OH >> that was being torn down on my FB somewhere. >> >> Then there's long-lines.net >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:56:50 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines >> >> I didn't get enough pics on this site: >> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cfk3jvi6u5jaq1x/AACv12KJ32ZrUbw5mwSuAVuxa?dl=0 >> Lots of awesome stuff here. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:41:12 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines >> >> Some of the old AT&T sites are cool. Hardened bunkers with walls many >> feet thick. >> >> On Jan 26, 2016 7:36 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yeah, you wouldn’t want information like this getting out: >> >> >> >> http://wikimapia.org/10668587/AT-T-Norway-IL-Class-1-Switching-Center >> >> >> >> Not a big secret, since it’s a very distinctive looking tower visible >> from 10-20 miles away due to the high ground it sits on. It was also one >> of the ground sites for the Air Force 1 secure communications network, I >> don’t know if that’s still operational, I think maybe it is. >> >> >> >> Last I heard DeKalb, IL is still an active fiber POP. Tower is not used, >> but they won’t least space or sell it. It’s right in town and not a very >> well kept secret. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:20 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines >> >> >> >> But AT&T is the devil, so again, just sayin. >> >> On 1/26/2016 7:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >> >> Ha...as if we are afraid of AT&T....I know most on this list have ripped >> tags off sofas and mattresses. So there >> >> On Jan 26, 2016 6:09 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> AT&T doesn't like it when you list active sites. Just sayin. >> >> On 1/26/2016 11:33 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: >> >> It has tons in the midwest, I think I unchecked several sections before I >> saved the KML. I was looking only at the Pacific Northwest. Open the >> drop-down arrow that is the main category and re-check the other 4 or 5 >> categories. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Keefe John <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Nothing in the midwest either. >> >> >> >> On 1/26/2016 9:51 AM, Jerry Head wrote: >> >> Same here for Alabama. >> >> On 1/26/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >> >> It doesn't have most of the Kentucky ones. Interesting...I can name a >> bunch more... >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Chuck >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Looks like the list may be removing attachments... Here's the file: >> >> http://tengigabit.ca/~eric/ATT_longlines_USA.kmz >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Gerard Dupont III <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Did the list scrub the attachment? Link maybe? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gerard >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I recently came across this KML file online. It's KML/KMZ format for >> Google Earth. >> >> I thought I knew where all the notable towers in WA state were, but turns >> out I was missing a few on my previously self-made AT&T Long Lines map. >> Kudos to whoever put this together. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
