There was a time when C band satellite shared spectrum with terrestrial 
microwave.  In a town I grew up near, they had a hard time with their first HBO 
TVRO installation due to a Pacific Northwest Bell radio a few blocks away.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:03 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines

They regularly did 6 and 11 common carrier bands. I don't remember what 4GHz 
was paired with, possibly 8GHz.


On 1/28/2016 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  They made some crazy circular feeds for those horns.  You could put a very 
wide range of frequencies through them and with the correct feed, you can have 
many radios and many different bands on all at the same time.  

  From: Erich Kaiser 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 6:26 PM
  To: [email protected] 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines

  More info on the Horns 

  
http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/wiring-diagrams/doc_view/8708-402-421-100-i3



  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  [email protected]
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291



  On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Erich Kaiser <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    We deployed 6ghz microwave utilizing the horn antennas, they require 
maintenance but, work really well...That was the network I sold to JAB/T6.  
They have no idea how that stuff works or any care to learn...


    
https://www.google.com/search?q=KS-15676+microwave&rlz=1C2GGGE___US556US556&biw=1920&bih=911&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJp9vxq8vKAhUmvIMKHSrKBMIQ_AUICSgE&dpr=1#imgrc=8xtXypST-6HK4M%3A


    I still have waveguide parts(Keeping) and circular waveguide(Which is going 
to the scrap yard)

    Awesome stuff... Still CatA for 6ghz.

    Erich Kaiser 
    North Central Tower
    [email protected]
    Office: 630-621-4804
    Cell: 630-777-9291


    On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote:

      there is a "Long Lines" coffee table book.   
      For all of you that would like to geek out on some antenna porn ;-) 

      http://spencerjharding.com/project/the-long-lines/


      http://spencerjharding.com/books/the-long-lines/


      -sean



      On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> 
wrote:

        There are some amazing Long Lines sites in WA and ID that serve almost 
no useful purpose, now that all long distance traffic moves via fiber...  The 
ones closer to major metro areas have more tenants and more value to their new 
owners. 

        The Long Lines sites that were built solely as a means to get a PTP 
relay over a major mountain range are amazing. Built with massive diesel tanks 
and ventilation intakes 18' off the ground due to snow pack. These ones have 
the original horn antennas and not much else, maybe some VHF/UHF omni radio 
repeaters for forestry/national parks.


        Bethel Ridge WA, about 1820 meters elevation
        https://www.google.com/maps?ll=46.71724,-121.10068&z=14&t=h


        Goldendale WA
        https://www.google.com/maps?ll=45.99800,-120.69536&z=14&t=h


        Leadore ID, one of the highest I can find, it's at 2750m elevation
        https://www.google.com/maps?ll=45.99800,-120.69536&z=14&t=h



        Bring a snow-cat in winter....



        On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

          I have a bunch I took of a Long Lines concrete tower in Springfield, 
OH that was being torn down on my FB somewhere.

          Then there's long-lines.net




          -----
          Mike Hammett
          Intelligent Computing Solutions
          http://www.ics-il.com



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          From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
          To: [email protected]
          Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:56:50 PM
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines


          I didn't get enough pics on this site:  
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cfk3jvi6u5jaq1x/AACv12KJ32ZrUbw5mwSuAVuxa?dl=0   
Lots of awesome stuff here.




          -----
          Mike Hammett
          Intelligent Computing Solutions
          http://www.ics-il.com



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          From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]>
          To: [email protected]
          Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:41:12 PM
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines


          Some of the old AT&T sites are cool. Hardened bunkers with walls many 
feet thick.

          On Jan 26, 2016 7:36 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:

            Yeah, you wouldn’t want information like this getting out:

            
http://wikimapia.org/10668587/AT-T-Norway-IL-Class-1-Switching-Center

            Not a big secret, since it’s a very distinctive looking tower 
visible from 10-20 miles away due to the high ground it sits on.  It was also 
one of the ground sites for the Air Force 1 secure communications network, I 
don’t know if that’s still operational, I think maybe it is.

            Last I heard DeKalb, IL is still an active fiber POP.  Tower is not 
used, but they won’t least space or sell it.  It’s right in town and not a very 
well kept secret.


            From: George Skorup 
            Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:20 PM
            To: [email protected] 
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines

            But AT&T is the devil, so again, just sayin.


            On 1/26/2016 7:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

              Ha...as if we are afraid of AT&T....I know most on this list have 
ripped tags off  sofas and mattresses.  So there 

              On Jan 26, 2016 6:09 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

                AT&T doesn't like it when you list active sites. Just sayin.


                On 1/26/2016 11:33 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

                  It has tons in the midwest, I think I unchecked several 
sections before I saved the KML. I was looking only at the Pacific Northwest. 
Open the drop-down arrow that is the main category and re-check the other 4 or 
5 categories.


                  On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Keefe John 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                    Nothing in the midwest either. 



                    On 1/26/2016 9:51 AM, Jerry Head wrote:

                      Same here for Alabama.

                      On 1/26/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

                        It doesn't have most of the Kentucky ones.  
Interesting...I can name a bunch more...

                        Regards,
                        Chuck

                        On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                          Looks like the list may be removing attachments...  
Here's the file:

                          http://tengigabit.ca/~eric/ATT_longlines_USA.kmz


                          On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                            Did the list scrub the attachment? Link maybe? 

                            Thanks,
                            Gerard

                            On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                              I recently came across this KML file online. It's 
KML/KMZ format for Google Earth.


                              I thought I knew where all the notable towers in 
WA state were, but turns out I was missing a few on my previously self-made 
AT&T Long Lines map. Kudos to whoever put this together.






















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