2.4 in 10 MHz channels goes through a decent amount of trees within 1-2
miles max, if all the CPEs are nanobridge m5-25 dishes or similar sized
reflectors...

I've seen such setups with clients in trees and signals right around -69 on
both chains.

Not a lot of aggregate capacity per sector however.
On Feb 17, 2016 2:13 PM, "Sean Heskett" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've never had any luck with 2.4 going through much more than the side of
> an aspen tree.
>
> can you set up some 900 test shots?
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> So given this scenario, would 2.4GHz be better?  I can use 5GHz inside
>> the houses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:57 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i 900Mhz
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not measured one, but if someone has a pine tree nearby and an ohm
>> meter, measure the resistance of the needle.  Make sure you jam the probe
>> into the interior of the thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am guessing that the water content of the needle absorbs some of the RF
>> energy al la a microwave oven.  But anecdotal evidence over the past 10-15
>> years has shown that pine trees are worse than others so if the needle
>> itself has a fairly low resistance, like 100 ohms, it is acting like a
>> dipole with a termination resistor.  That is really going to suck up the
>> signal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stealth aircraft have microwave absorbing foam on some of their surfaces
>> that operate by similar principles.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett <[email protected]>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:13 PM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i 900Mhz
>>
>>
>>
>> the wavelength of 900Mhz is ~33.3cm so a quarter wave length is ~8.33cm
>> (~3 1/4 inch).  Ponderosa pine needles (and many other pine needles) are
>> around the same 3 1/4 inch length
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_ponderosa
>>
>>
>>
>> so with water in the needles you have a big 900Mhz RF
>> scattering/reflector ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Sam Lambie <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> So if you have a minute to please explain how evergreen trees are
>> terrible on 900 mhz, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Ponderosa?  Fir?  Cedar?
>>
>>
>>
>> The length of the needles matter.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:51 PM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450i 900Mhz
>>
>>
>>
>> Realistically, what kind of distances do you get through these types of
>> trees?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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