I thought analog and digital are separate licenses?

On 2/18/2016 6:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I wonder if you could use their 950 license and put some kind of better digital radio on it?
*From:* George Skorup <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:19 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station
We are working on this now. Studio is 10 miles away from first site. They have a 950 analog STL. Not very good LOS, so a direct shot using 5GHz won't work, licensed out of the question. Their other station has two STLs using a building in the middle. The first site will be getting an AM/FM translator and they do not want to spend the money on another STL. So we are building PTPs to them for the translator and also backup for their analog links. They ride our 11GHz most of the way so they are happy about that. They were also concerned about outages and latency over the interwebs. I can understand that. Their studio Comcast service sucks.

These are the kind of customers you want (tower owners). We're doing it for free. Give them free internet at the sites, they let us put up whatever we want, within reason.

On 2/18/2016 2:55 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
What do they do when the STL fails? Do they have a way to get some generic stuff playing while it's fixed? On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    The public internet yes, but if you have pretty good control over
    the route then it should not be a problem.  Many times the
    traffic is like a two hop distance.  If your upstream provider
    peers with the station provider I can’t see a big problem.  Or
    better yet, your upstream provider serves the station studio or
    whatever the other end is...
    *From:* Daniel White <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 1:47 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

    I won’t claim to be an expert by any means on STL links.  I’ve
    engineered backhaul links for broadcast guys though so I know a
    bit about the requirements.

    IMHO it’s a bad idea to put STL traffic on the internet.  Packet
    loss, jitter, latency are all very important metrics.  Capacity
    is low… maybe 2Mbps tops for HD audio (I guess it could be more
    depending on how many stations are transmitting from that
    antenna).  Give them a dedicated link.

    Telos/Axia and Whetstone are the two encoder manufacturers I’ve
    run across.

    Jeff Holdenrid at DoubleRadius would be a great contact if you’re
    looking for ways to make the STL work.

    Thank you,

    Daniel White

    <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]__

    Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

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    *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Marsh
    *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:52 AM
    *To:* [email protected]
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

    If someone has any info on the STL links. Send me a message off
    list.

    I wanna know everything possible about it

    On Feb 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Joseph Marsh"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        Josh

        He has 6000 watts on the main transmitter

        On Feb 18, 2016 12:22 PM, "Josh Luthman"
        <[email protected]> wrote:

            You could be OK.  Definitely not a "will be" especially
            with unknown power.

            Also keep in mind you're supposed to lower the power when
            climbing on the tower.

            Josh Luthman
            Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
            Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
            1100 Wayne St
            Suite 1337
            Troy, OH 45373

            On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Joseph Marsh
            <[email protected]> wrote:

                So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?

                On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup"
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                    We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb
                    and GigE links with no issues. However, external
                    surge suppressors on the tower near the radios
                    did give us errors, so we had to take them out...
                    and pray.

                    On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:

                        The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We
                        are going up at 125ft

                        On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh"
                        <[email protected]> wrote:

                            You bet I'll be on the other side of
                            tower with cat 5. It's a privately. Owned
                            tower so I got leeway to do what I need

                            On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown"
                            <[email protected]> wrote:

                                Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit
                                with shielded cat5 inside.

                                Stay away from the driven elements as
                                far as you can.

                                Some use ferrite cores on the cable
                                too. Can’t hurt.

                                *From:*Joseph Marsh
                                <mailto:[email protected]>

                                *Sent:*Thursday, February 18, 2016
                                10:09 AM

                                *To:*[email protected]

                                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with
                                fm radio station

                                He told us but can't remember off hand

                                I got one hell of a deal just had to
                                give him internet for a stl box so he
                                can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system

                                On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh
                                Luthman"
                                <[email protected]> wrote:

                                    Far as possible. How much power
                                    is the FM station? Definitely use
                                    shielded cable.

                                    Josh Luthman
                                    Office: 937-552-2340
                                    <tel:937-552-2340>
                                    Direct: 937-552-2343
                                    <tel:937-552-2343>
                                    1100 Wayne St
                                    Suite 1337
                                    Troy, OH 45373

                                    On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM,
                                    Joseph Marsh
                                    <[email protected]> wrote:

                                        How far do I need to be from
                                        the fm transmitter to be safe
                                        with cambium and ubnt. Equipment


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