Unlike 2-way audio, I assume some delay is acceptable on broadcast links?  If 
so, this would allow for deep jitter buffers and even error correction for more 
robustness over the Internet.  Assuming the encoder/decoder equipment has this 
ability.

Of course, the future is probably that everyone listens to radio via the 
Internet anyway, and the government re-auctions their spectrum.  You wouldn’t 
want people to use those FM chips in their cellphones and avoid paying the 
cellco for data usage.


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:33 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station

Agreed   STL links should be ptp and not on Internet.    By using IP on newer 
Harris STL systems engineers could monitor and make changes without having to 
drive up to mountain.  None of the SCADA links I have done are on Internet 
except for one on cellular modems.   

On Feb 18, 2016 1:47 PM, "Daniel White" <[email protected]> wrote:

  I won’t claim to be an expert by any means on STL links.  I’ve engineered 
backhaul links for broadcast guys though so I know a bit about the requirements.



  IMHO it’s a bad idea to put STL traffic on the internet.  Packet loss, 
jitter, latency are all very important metrics.  Capacity is low… maybe 2Mbps 
tops for HD audio (I guess it could be more depending on how many stations are 
transmitting from that antenna).  Give them a dedicated link.



  Telos/Axia and Whetstone are the two encoder manufacturers I’ve run across.



  Jeff Holdenrid at DoubleRadius would be a great contact if you’re looking for 
ways to make the STL work.



  Thank you,



  Daniel White

  [email protected]

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn: Twitter



  From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh
  Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:52 AM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station



  If someone has any info on the STL links. Send me a message off list. 

  I wanna know everything possible about it

  On Feb 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Joseph Marsh" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Josh 

    He has 6000 watts on the main transmitter 

    On Feb 18, 2016 12:22 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

      You could be OK.  Definitely not a "will be" especially with unknown 
power.



      Also keep in mind you're supposed to lower the power when climbing on the 
tower.






      Josh Luthman
      Office: 937-552-2340
      Direct: 937-552-2343
      1100 Wayne St
      Suite 1337
      Troy, OH 45373



      On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Joseph Marsh <[email protected]> 
wrote:

        So if I do shielded cat 5 I should be okay correct?

        On Feb 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:

          We're on a very similar site. We're running 100Mb and GigE links with 
no issues. However, external surge suppressors on the tower near the radios did 
give us errors, so we had to take them out... and pray.

          On 2/18/2016 11:38 AM, Joseph Marsh wrote:

            The transmitter is 6000 watts 350 ft tall. We are going up at 125ft 

            On Feb 18, 2016 11:29 AM, "Joseph Marsh" 
<[email protected]> wrote:

              You bet I'll be on the other side of tower with cat 5. It's a 
privately. Owned tower so I got leeway to do what I need 

              On Feb 18, 2016 11:25 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:

                Metallic liquidtight flexible conduit with shielded cat5 
inside.  



                Stay away from the driven elements as far as you can.  

                Some use ferrite cores on the cable too.  Can’t hurt.  



                From: Joseph Marsh 

                Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:09 AM

                To: [email protected] 

                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Colocating with fm radio station



                He told us but can't  remember off hand 

                I got one hell of a deal just had to give  him internet for a 
stl box so he can do away with a 900 mhz. Ptp system

                On Feb 18, 2016 11:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                  Far as possible.  How much power is the FM station?  
Definitely use shielded cable.





                  Josh Luthman
                  Office: 937-552-2340
                  Direct: 937-552-2343
                  1100 Wayne St
                  Suite 1337
                  Troy, OH 45373



                  On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Marsh 
<[email protected]> wrote:

                    How far do I need to be from the fm transmitter to be safe 
with cambium and ubnt. Equipment








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