I think consumerism has done a *lot* of damage to this country, and other countries are stronger for it. Extreme capitalism mixed with globalization aiming at an economy with an abundance of expendable income compared to other countries... bad mix.
We're very much like the Roman empire toward it's fall, we just don't call the other armies "barbarians" so much anymore. (Well, sometimes...) On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:53 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> wrote: > > hah - took care of that for you sir. LOL > as did Rory.... > and we both posted entirely different criticisms.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jaime Solorza > To: Animal Farm > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > I have to go but I will come back to your facts and we will look at them > more closely. Hasta luego! > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> ◾Homicides have dropped 13 percent, but gun sales have surged. >> >> ◾The economy has added more than 9 million jobs, and the jobless rate has >> dropped to below the historical median. However, 94,000,000 people are not >> in the work force, over 33%, the highest in history. The majority of jobs >> created are also lower income or part time. >> >> ◾The number of long-term unemployed Americans has dropped by 614,000 under >> Obama, but it is still 761,000 higher than at the start of the Great >> Recession. >> >> ◾Corporate profits are up 166 percent; real weekly wages are up 3.4 >> percent. There are fewer corporations and the number of businesses closing >> are greater than the number of new businesses being filed. >> >> ◾There are 15 million fewer people who lack health insurance. The rest of >> the country has seen a huge increase in medical costs, especially the middle >> class. >> >> ◾Wind and solar power have nearly tripled, and now account for more than 5 >> percent of U.S. electricity. >> >> ◾The federal debt has more than doubled — rising 116 percent — and big >> annual deficits have continued. >> >> >> >> - Over 50% of the people in this country make less then $30,000 >> per year. >> >> - Household median has fallen to a 20 year low, almost 10% from a >> peak of $56,000 to $52,000. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:16 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Ok, show us how it has backslid >> http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I’m more than willing to listen to reason when it’s based on facts, >> period. I can back up with facts provided by the U.S. Government that >> proves our country has backslid over the last 7 years on almost every front. >> Please show me facts that dispute that statement. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:02 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and >> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason. >> >> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the >> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >> >> >> >> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone >> is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business >> partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me >> racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the >> pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t >> understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can >> define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t >> want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and >> failures. >> >> >> >> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not >> assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would >> rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the >> truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, >> not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, >> regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. >> Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while >> our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to >> face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from >> within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and >> immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes >> I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the >> founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. >> And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and >> ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a >> country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I >> don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an >> excuse. >> >> >> >> The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire >> generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering >> outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent >> within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire >> generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, >> including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of >> police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big >> supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want >> the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with >> the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the >> Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but >> those facts won’t matter will they? >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for >> it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory >> statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? >> >> >> >> We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are >> not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief >> that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Rory Conaway >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the >> violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, >> but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this >> country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they >> are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… >> The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that >> won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. >> >> >> >> You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call >> me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done >> with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Black people really seem to set you off. >> >> >> >> From: Rory Conaway >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives >> Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. >> I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an >> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of >> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. >> >> >> >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right >> are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to >> accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that >> person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... >> >> >> >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a >> polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn >> into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to >> see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >> >> >> >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not >> bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible >> for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff.... watch closely >> the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior.... >> (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and >> throwing punches at the person being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly >> refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >> >> >> >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of >> us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior >> and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not >> very good for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. >> >> >> >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control.... >> historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the >> bottle, no one has been able to control it ..... >> >> >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as >> a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump >> is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like >> Facebook. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push back...most fights >> start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has >> asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to >> old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to >> the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia >> was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to >> murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my >> ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes >> open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this >> time.....too much at stake...Trump will not win. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
