Jaime.....I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - and we just looked at old people funny and understood.
For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. What changed? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still have a beer together. Our founding fathers were men just like you and me...sinners and not perfect.... while the intent of Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped out or moved to reservations....visit some in your beautiful state of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to parts of the south and east and talk to them about the constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and more now in Middle East...they speak several languages....respect our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget signs in restaurants and hotels ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their culture....America is Not the Borg.... we can't all be blue eyed blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone.... stop listening to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history book..but not one printed in Texas....ajuuaaa On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: You know what Ken, let’s do this. You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, we can define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and failures. What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, not having a solid family support system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling apart from within and from the outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that color is used as an excuse. The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t matter will they? Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism? We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power. You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again. You went too far. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Black people really seem to set you off. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding. It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and the other side cannot do nothing right... I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control.... historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to control it ..... :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like Facebook. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push back...most fights start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too much at stake...Trump will not win.
