In response to your last sentence down there. ...  I'm confused, are you
talking about rattlesnakes or politicians?
On Mar 12, 2016 7:45 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> We have thousands around here. In fact, the sweetwater rattlesnake roundup
> is happening now.
>
> http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/american-festivals-project/rattlesnake-roundup
> I haven't killed many, but I have had to kill a number around remit tower
> sites.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 8:56 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> We have lots of rattlesnakes around here. I haven't had to kill one yet.
>> We have one that lives in our pump shed. He's a really big guy, maybe 2" in
>> diameter (rattlers out here don't get particularly long, but they do gain
>> girth). He's been there on and off for a few years, but he never bothers
>> anyone. In fact, he has never "rattled".
>>
>> However, if one shows up near the front door, rattle or no, we pick him
>> up and move him. They keep the mice down.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/2016 2:49 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
>>
>> Big picture being humanity, our world as a whole.
>>
>> Left vs Right has overridden any and all logic in most debates (arguments
>> really) and left the real world behind.
>>
>> Example, gun control.
>>
>> We still live in the same world as our great great grandparents. There
>> are still critters out there that can and will kill a man. Guns aren’t
>> evil, but apparently a portion of the world thinks that guns exist solely
>> for murder. I say that they make a much more humane way for us to kill a
>> hog/deer/etc so we can put meat away.
>>
>> We still kill rattlesnakes here quite often. I killed a copperhead a few
>> months back. I’m glad my neighbor always carries. He’s killed two between
>> my house and the neighbor’s. There are kids all over the place out here.
>>
>> Logically, guns are tools.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:47 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>>
>> define big picture.  i think if you ask 100 people who follow
>> politics....you'll get 100 different answers.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Glen Waldrop <[email protected]>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:18 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> Way to gang up guys.
>>
>> I have to agree with Rory here. Black Lives Matter has all but become the
>> mirror image of the KKK. Sure, some of them are doing it for the right
>> reasons, but like environmentalists, feminists and dozens of other –ists
>> the wackos have hijacked what could have been something powerful, something
>> good, and gone *way* over the line.
>>
>> One common thing among those groups are the very vocal fringe left.
>>
>> I’m sitting here in the middle watching both sides go completely apeshit
>> crazy.
>>
>> Can no one sit back and look at the big picture?
>>
>> Are we so divided that logic has completely left the discussion? It
>> certainly seems that way and not just on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:02 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>> You know Rory, as long as it's "conservatives versus liberals" and
>> liberals are the scum of the earth, you're never going to listen to reason.
>>
>> For the most part I F6 your posts because they all seem to go down the
>> same rat hole. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/2016 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> You know what Ken, let’s do this.
>>
>>
>>
>> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is that everyone
>> is a victim.  I probably have a much wider diversity of friends, business
>> partners, and colleagues than you do and never has anyone ever called me
>> racist.  Because I abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an
>> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a racist.  That’s the
>> pea-brained mentality of the intellectually dishonest.  You simply can’t
>> understand that there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply
>> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it.  However, we can
>> define the problems created by race, race hustlers, and liberals who don’t
>> want to face facts, just blame everyone else for their problems and
>> failures.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are not
>> assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the facts.  You
>> would rather stick your head in the sand and call out those of us who see
>> the truth racists.  Here is a fact, not having a solid family support
>> system, not following the law, and not working hard is a recipe for
>> failure, regardless of the race.  If you don’t want to face that fact, so
>> be it.  Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and stand
>> by while our country falls apart because you don’t have the intellectual
>> honesty to face that fact that the greatest country in the world is falling
>> apart from within and from the outside.  Hell yes, I want our borders
>> sealed and immigrants required to learn our language and honor our
>> heritage.  Hell yes I want every child to get a good education that honors
>> this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and women who
>> died to protect it.   And until we recognize that keeping an entire culture
>> in poverty and ignorance by not expecting them to excel is a bad thing,
>> then we as a country are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and
>> separation.   I don’t care about the color, I care about the fact that
>> color is used as an excuse.
>>
>>
>>
>> The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the entire
>> generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that doesn’t have engineering
>> outside this country because they can’t find enough engineering talent
>> within our own borders because our culture and education failed an entire
>> generation.   And as for Obama, his policies have escalated this problem,
>> including unemployment, a poor economy, lower standards of living, hatred
>> of police and authority, and racial division and escalation.  So if you are
>> big supporter of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there.  You
>> want the truth, that’s it.  So bring it on Ken.  I’ll back my conclusions
>> with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, the U.S Department of the
>> Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but
>> those facts won’t matter will they?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call your out
>> for it.  Why is that over the line?  You have made some pretty inflammatory
>> statements, but it seems you can’t take any criticism?
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a WISPA conference coming up.  One thing I always notice is we
>> are not a very diverse crowd.  Almost all white men.  That leads to the
>> belief that prejudice is OK because everyone here thinks that way too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s out of line Ken, at any level.  What matters to me is that the
>> violence fostered by ignorant people in our society who don’t contribute,
>> but foster racial hatred and disdain for the Constitution, the Laws of this
>> country, and want special treatment.  I don’t give a crap what color they
>> are but they keep bringing it up.  Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc…
>> The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s liberals that
>> won’t let race go because they need it to stay in power.
>>
>>
>>
>> You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine.  You want to call
>> me a racist, what I really want to tell you will get me banned.  I’m done
>> with this and Ken, please don’t ever speak to me again.  You went too far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>>
>>
>> Black people really seem to set you off.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion.  BTW, Black Lives
>> Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is looting and gun
>> fire.  I really doubt the Trump supporters are doing that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this discussion is an
>> Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much concerned about the future of
>> our great nation. The discussion is over the events as they are unfolding.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on the right
>> are so upset, and so polarized in their view that they are  willing to
>> accept bad behavior from anyone  of their affiliated party, since that
>> person can do nothing wrong  and the other side cannot do nothing right...
>>
>>
>>
>> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange of views in
>> a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, watching the GOP primaries
>> turn  into a circus act is embarrassing,  because the world is watching,
>> and to see folks trying to explain and justify is even more troubling.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it should not
>> bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the media is fully
>> responsible for fueling the fire and covering only the inciting stuff....
>> watch closely the clips of trouble at the Trump rallies, there appears to
>> be an steadily increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad
>> behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security there are folks
>> hitting and throwing punches at the person being lead out....).. and Mr
>> Trump constantly refuses to condemn such behavior, which indicates approval.
>>
>>
>>
>> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you want, some of
>> us who have had a broader view of the world, have seen this type of
>> behavior and events , in the other parts of the world.. and the end results
>> were not very good for anyone.... As such their is  rising concern.
>>
>>
>>
>> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can control....
>> historically speaking when that particular type of genie is let out of the
>> bottle, no one has  been able to control it .....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Rory Conaway" < <[email protected]>[email protected]>
>> *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected]
>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the sacrifices we made
>> as a country to stop men like Hitler.  You have so mischaracterized what
>> Trump is saying but I’d rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace
>> like Facebook.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [ <[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]
>> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
>> Solorza
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over?
>>
>>
>>
>> Fault?   Its human nature....you push me and I push back...most fights
>> start that way...literally and figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has
>> asked him audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go back to
>> old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace?  Lynching?  He is playing to
>> the older white man who fears foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia
>> was one of Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led to
>> murder of millions.  i have a different perspective on things from my
>> ancestors and upbringing plus traveling.  Travel outside USA and your eyes
>> open a bit more.    I normally stay quiet on politics but not this
>> time.....too much at stake...Trump will not win.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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