I firmly believe that people should have to right to practice their religion and live the way they like. However, when those beliefs are forced down other people's throats I start to have a very real problem with it. The separation of church and state in this country is essential, and all the things you have listed above are absolutely religious issues.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, > contraception, or abortion. > > If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. > >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed above). > >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its > wishes with man. > >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of > churches or bodies of scripture. > >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. > The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe the > above. > > You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should hedge > their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right about > that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a > mortal sin. Could be. > > For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and do > my thing, while you do your thing. > But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal > sins, I will try. > > > > > > *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > > > Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, > contraception, or abortion? > > Those are medical issues. > On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on every >> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. >> >> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >> >> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually >> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about poor >> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See this if >> you forgot: >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy >> >> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also >> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions. >> Which is the lesser evil? >> >> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially >> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife >> >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >> >> >> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. >> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. >>> >>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of gay >>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right >>> telling them what they can or can't do. >>> >>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not so >>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who had >>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than her >>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it could >>> still screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". >>> >>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to hell >>> in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things have gone to >>> hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the family while dad >>> goes to work? >>> >>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty much >>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of other >>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. >>> >>> Any tax is bad :) >>> >>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> His stances: >>> Gay marriage is wrong >>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple >>> Defund planned parenthood >>> Raising corporate tax is bad >>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. >>> Wants to drill in ANWR >>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. >>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. >>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over >>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens >>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child healthcare >>> "Let's build a fence!" >>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received >>> hospital treatment >>> >>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. >>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. >>>> >>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. There >>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget. Seemed >>>> like the same old voodoo economics. >>>> >>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is >>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care of the >>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the world, >>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. Hell, >>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the photo >>>> of the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. >>>> http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>> >>>> >>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared on >>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call him my >>>> "man crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about him >>>> Ken. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>> AfterChicago Violence >>>> >>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with them, >>>> I'm >>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one >>>> person >>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would be >>>> Mitch >>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about >>>> their own >>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. >>>> >>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, but I >>>> like >>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see if >>>> they >>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I don't >>>> think >>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him >>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with >>>> someone >>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals >>>> could >>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make >>>> Obama >>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? Modifications >>>> to >>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? Mitch >>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with the >>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and >>>> staying in >>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be clear, >>>> I'm >>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just >>>> McConnell is >>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I feel >>>> he is >>>> giving me the finger. >>>> >>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but I >>>> don't >>>> think we'll find out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Bill Prince >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>> After >>>> Chicago Violence >>>> >>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the right. >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's >>>> idea >>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a >>>> deal. >>>> >>>>
