Trump's not corrupt? He's padded the pockets of both parties so he could have political backing on certain business ventures. He's replaced a lot of his larger staffing ventures with H1-B workers. He's been involved in almost 170 Federal lawsuits - most of which he's claimed extreme damages for media attention and personal profit and more than a few (most) have been thrown out even under a short examination. He's just as much a part of the political system as any person up there.
I feel we need changes too, but this is Trump for Trump, and nothing more. O want to fix things not burn them down. On Mar 21, 2016 8:00 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > I didn’t say that the Chinese government has 99% of the companies under > their thumb. However, they do in the areas of key technologies, solar, > networking, cellular, and any company they discern to be critical to their > military or economy. If they want to destroy a U.S. industry, they > provide plenty of money from the government through the banks to the > companies they deem critical to that effort. They destroyed many of our > industries and we let them do it because out political class was either too > corrupt or too stupid to realize what was happening, Solyndra being a good > example. > > > > In the meantime, no company in this country has ever had their CEO killed > for some government violation whereas you toe the line in China or you get > killed or jailed. Hell, we don’t even convict them most of the time, no > matter what laws they break, the banking crisis being a perfect example. > Most of those CEO’s walked away and kept most of the money they stole (not > paranoia, fact and easily provable). Even CEO’s involved in money > laundering haven’t been touched for the most part. That is one of the > criminal relationships between Wall Street and the Government that really > needs to be cleaned up. The Justice Department needs to be independent of > the President or any political party. Sadly, it’s not and the criminals > just rotate through the White House. If you want the best reason that I’m > voting for Trump, this is it. I hope his ego is enough to prove he isn’t > corrupt. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 4:22 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > > > -------------------- > > But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access to > that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does > it, then you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get > everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, > financing, and patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a > country. Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s > got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would > have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact > that keeps that information within a few companies through secret > government relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule. And it > also means in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop > it when it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a > specific company or person. Again, the difference between them and us. > > -------------------------- > > > > I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find the > Gov of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the > Chinese Gov has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated > way (I am taking an implied position from your statement ) then you need > to re-arrange your thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you. > > > > We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are > trying to justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply > tells me that you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining > about. > > > > > > > > Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are > different. I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and > you will find that even that much information is more than you ever wanted > to know and scary as hell. > > > > Yes, canvas is different, and the paint colors are different, but the > process of FUD is the same.... The world is a scary place if you want to be > scared, and it is not scary at all if you don't have anything to be scared > about ! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Let me tell you something.. you should go and talk to migrants, of > different types, from different places and you will see a very common > pattern a Human Pattern emerge.. As I said earlier, I come from a family of > Migrants, Three Generations of Migrants, the migration was done in/ from > different parts of the world, and for different reasons... so granted my > view on life is different.... > > > > I can tell you one thing, the FUD you are buying into, and sharing is not > unique to this time, nor our nation, nor any other nation... because we > have seen this time and time again ..... > > And that is the only reason why, I have a bit of an allergic reaction when > someone lays it out in any forum...everytime I hear it or see it, I tell > myself to walk away, but after a while it seeing it again and again it > drags me back into such conversations as the one we are having now... > > > > What is interesting and ironic about the conversation we are having here, > on this topic, is that I have the same conversations with the folks on the > other side of the world, the only common element is FUD. > > > > That is why I think one has to choose how they live... > > > > Either ... Stay Fearful or Stay un-afraid my friend... > > No one knows what life's next turn will bring, it not about having to > look over your shoulder, it is all about the attitude that you carry, and > it really helps to learn from the past and broaden one's outlook ! > > > > :) > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 6:56:02 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > No, not at all. There is official government policy and there is stuff > that goes on illegally or we are never told. For example, do you really > think that there is a full firewall between the FBI, the NSA, and local law > enforcement so they don’t get your personal information. Then we find out > that even local law enforcement is collecting cell phone information. And > there is a lot of really impressive drug busts that never get to court > because local law-enforcement can only say “they got a tip from an > anonymous source”. > > > > But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access to > that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does > it, then you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get > everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, > financing, and patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a > country. Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s > got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would > have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact > that keeps that information within a few companies through secret > government relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule. And it > also means in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop > it when it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a > specific company or person. Again, the difference between them and us. > > > > Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are > different. I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and > you will find that even that much information is more than you ever wanted > to know and scary as hell. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:16 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Rory, > > > > Are you that Naive to think and believe that our Country, the standards > bearer of the Capitalistic system in the World, behaves in the best > interest of the Gov and Or the People ? and not in the Best Interest of the > Corporate Economic Engine that drives everything ? > > > > Dude, I am floored !.... > > > > (p.s THe folks on the other side of the world are very fast learners... > they see and they copy... not just tech but behavior too !) > > > > :) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35:17 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > Faisal, your analogy is not logical. Huawei stole the technology to > create their company. I will not do business with thieves. Who you do > business with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character > and morality. > > > > As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their > strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what > we can and cannot detect. Until you really know what’s happening and what > the Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control > of the infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into > that strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not > facts. Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is > part of a larger strategy. To deny that is simply ignorance. > > > > One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States > spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was > done for security reasons. China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored > thefts of patents and gave it to key industries. I don’t believe Japan is > doing that any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, > just ask Catepillar. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat... > > > > The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.....Mimosa now has > a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm > Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America. > > > > > > Stay fearful my friend. > > > > :) > > > > Regards > > > > Faisal > > > > Sent from Mobile Device > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Rory Conaway > > Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I > think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, > either hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is > based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is > whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only > Patrick Leary can answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Gotta love these conversations... > > > > What was the original topic ? > > > > Ahhh... Baicells.... a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance > in the WISP Market Space.... who is just starting to establish themselves > in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in > the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being > put together..... > > > > To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese > Company would be a mistake.... I took a look at the Bio of the founders, > and the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to > make some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively > participating in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot > to me... > > > > I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP > futures ahead !.... Time to grow up into serious operators ! > > > > > > :) > > > > Best of Luck Everyone ! > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed. > > On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. > > > > *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Define module? > > On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco > had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for > the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance > contract just so you can upgrade the SW. > > > > What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are > probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the > same factory. > > > > > > *From:* Bruce Robertson <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I *never* *ever* did that........................... > > On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and > registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more > expensive routers we deployed.... hmmm???? > > > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of > telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling > telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: > > > > > 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way > to buy it from Dubai. > > 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear > into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up > with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how > to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN > traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered > media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from > the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying > to reach Iranians. There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use > Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More communication with the outside world > is good. > > http://www.radiofarda.com/ > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet > snooping and repression, right? > > On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 > > > > Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran > and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a > little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company > that is clearly Huawei. > > > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > *From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: > Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has > by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? > Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% > in line with things the government as a whole says or does? > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was > bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco > which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years > and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything > "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and > NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control. > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid > shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA > was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put > backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - > putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the > process? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't > done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are > insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag > while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government > and its employees. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > > *On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" > <[email protected]> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > > > > *I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of > the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This > person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a > result. On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> > wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. > Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *Rory <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > > *From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: > Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells > Interview <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... you > can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more > costly parts of doing LTE. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie > <[email protected]> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though. > First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of > money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a > little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the > specific "fellow" that they're talking about. > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet > Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *!DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119! <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > > > > >
