Hi. Inside the US military itself, China is considered an ally nation. Even this past year we decided to start holding joint land-based exercises with them - previously they were limited to naval exercises. It's an opportunity to test co-readiness (ally full spectrum operations), as well as judge their competence (intelligence).
Without getting into specifics, they are on the long term "watch them / potential threat" list simply because of the size their manpower, but they are not considered a nation of immediate threat to us or our G8 allies in the general sense. There are certain issues we are not happy with them on such as their fondness for island nations and territorial claims. Even the "stolen" Chengdu J-20 is more of a 3rd gen fighter design than a 5th (about 20-25 years behind). Despite all this, there are many well financially and politically backed think tanks that are excellent at wargaming scenarios and creating massive amounts of FUD - this creates more contributions for them, entrenches their clout, and creates a certain type of fearful competition to drive policy decisions in favor of the defense complex. Interesting notes about a fairly recent situation: "In a study published in 2005,[120] a group of researchers assessed the effects reports and retractions in the media had on people's memory regarding the search for WMD in Iraq during the 2003 Iraq War. The study focused on populations in two coalition countries (Australia and USA) and one opposed to the war (Germany). This led to three conclusions: The repetition of tentative news stories, even if they are subsequently disconfirmed, can assist in the creation of false memories in a substantial proportion of people. Once information is published, its subsequent correction does not alter people's beliefs unless they are suspicious about the motives underlying the events the news stories are about. When people ignore corrections, they do so irrespective of how certain they are that the corrections occurred. A poll conducted between June and September 2003 asked people whether they thought evidence of WMD had been discovered in Iraq since the war ended. They were also asked which media sources they relied upon. Those who obtained their news primarily from Fox News were three times as likely to believe that evidence of WMD had been discovered in Iraq than those who relied on PBS and NPR for their news, and one third more likely than those who primarily watched CBS." Source : Psycological Science Journal http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/(ISSN)1467-9280 On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t read what you are interpreting but I will attempt to make it more > clear. The Chinese government targets specific industries that are in their > best interest either militarily or economically. If they do not have > sufficient business infrastructure within the country to meet their needs, > they create it, hence Huawei. Why do you think we used to call it Japan, > Inc. for the longest time. They invented the idea. And Faisal, you can > keep your head in the sand about what’s really happening in China but I > suggest you start pulling declassified reports, understand the concept of > String of Pearls as it was accidentally leaked back in the 90’s, and spend > some time at security briefings. Your interpretation of what China’s goals > are on many fronts simply just doesn’t jive with the facts. I feel you are > missing a lot of information and drawing an incorrect conclusion. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:17 PM > > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Rory, > > > > Your first paragraph reads as.... I did not say it.. but I did say it ... > The fact that you look at all this as stuff as being , they want to destroy > us, simply makes my case of you buying into the FUD and spreading it. > > > > How about taking a more sensible approach..... People of the World want to > live a good life in peace, it is the politicians of the world who will be > out of business if that ever happens... and the Corporations who make > millions of $ of profit on both sides will be shorted out.... so it is in > their best interest to keep the FUD alive, and keep creating chaos. > > > > There is no one in the World who wants to destroy another person or another > country who has not been incited to do so !.. > > > > You should read what you wrote, you justify your thinking with the same > logic that you lay out as being wrong... but you appear to be able to do > that because you are justifying to yourself that one entity is worse then > the other entity, when both are involved in bad behavior. > > > > In regards to Trump, more power to you ..... we have a saying .. be careful > of the devil you seek vs the devil you know.... > > > > :) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:00:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > I didn’t say that the Chinese government has 99% of the companies under > their thumb. However, they do in the areas of key technologies, solar, > networking, cellular, and any company they discern to be critical to their > military or economy. If they want to destroy a U.S. industry, they provide > plenty of money from the government through the banks to the companies they > deem critical to that effort. They destroyed many of our industries and we > let them do it because out political class was either too corrupt or too > stupid to realize what was happening, Solyndra being a good example. > > > > In the meantime, no company in this country has ever had their CEO killed > for some government violation whereas you toe the line in China or you get > killed or jailed. Hell, we don’t even convict them most of the time, no > matter what laws they break, the banking crisis being a perfect example. > Most of those CEO’s walked away and kept most of the money they stole (not > paranoia, fact and easily provable). Even CEO’s involved in money > laundering haven’t been touched for the most part. That is one of the > criminal relationships between Wall Street and the Government that really > needs to be cleaned up. The Justice Department needs to be independent of > the President or any political party. Sadly, it’s not and the criminals > just rotate through the White House. If you want the best reason that I’m > voting for Trump, this is it. I hope his ego is enough to prove he isn’t > corrupt. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > > > -------------------- > > But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access to > that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does > it, then you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get > everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, > financing, and patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a > country. Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s > got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would > have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact > that keeps that information within a few companies through secret government > relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule. And it also means > in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop it when > it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a specific > company or person. Again, the difference between them and us. > > -------------------------- > > > > > I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find the > Gov of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the > Chinese Gov has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated way > (I am taking an implied position from your statement ) then you need to > re-arrange your thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you. > > > > We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are > trying to justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply > tells me that you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining > about. > > > > > > > > > > Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are > different. I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and > you will find that even that much information is more than you ever wanted > to know and scary as hell. > > > > Yes, canvas is different, and the paint colors are different, but the > process of FUD is the same.... The world is a scary place if you want to be > scared, and it is not scary at all if you don't have anything to be scared > about ! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Let me tell you something.. you should go and talk to migrants, of different > types, from different places and you will see a very common pattern a Human > Pattern emerge.. As I said earlier, I come from a family of Migrants, Three > Generations of Migrants, the migration was done in/ from different parts of > the world, and for different reasons... so granted my view on life is > different.... > > > > I can tell you one thing, the FUD you are buying into, and sharing is not > unique to this time, nor our nation, nor any other nation... because we have > seen this time and time again ..... > > And that is the only reason why, I have a bit of an allergic reaction when > someone lays it out in any forum...everytime I hear it or see it, I tell > myself to walk away, but after a while it seeing it again and again it drags > me back into such conversations as the one we are having now... > > > > What is interesting and ironic about the conversation we are having here, > on this topic, is that I have the same conversations with the folks on the > other side of the world, the only common element is FUD. > > > > That is why I think one has to choose how they live... > > > > Either ... Stay Fearful or Stay un-afraid my friend... > > No one knows what life's next turn will bring, it not about having to > look over your shoulder, it is all about the attitude that you carry, and it > really helps to learn from the past and broaden one's outlook ! > > > > :) > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:56:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > No, not at all. There is official government policy and there is stuff that > goes on illegally or we are never told. For example, do you really think > that there is a full firewall between the FBI, the NSA, and local law > enforcement so they don’t get your personal information. Then we find out > that even local law enforcement is collecting cell phone information. And > there is a lot of really impressive drug busts that never get to court > because local law-enforcement can only say “they got a tip from an anonymous > source”. > > > > But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access to > that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does > it, then you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get > everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, > financing, and patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a > country. Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s > got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would > have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact > that keeps that information within a few companies through secret government > relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule. And it also means > in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop it when > it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a specific > company or person. Again, the difference between them and us. > > > > Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are > different. I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and > you will find that even that much information is more than you ever wanted > to know and scary as hell. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:16 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Rory, > > > > Are you that Naive to think and believe that our Country, the standards > bearer of the Capitalistic system in the World, behaves in the best interest > of the Gov and Or the People ? and not in the Best Interest of the Corporate > Economic Engine that drives everything ? > > > > Dude, I am floored !.... > > > > (p.s THe folks on the other side of the world are very fast learners... they > see and they copy... not just tech but behavior too !) > > > > :) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > Faisal, your analogy is not logical. Huawei stole the technology to create > their company. I will not do business with thieves. Who you do business > with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and > morality. > > > > As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their > strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what > we can and cannot detect. Until you really know what’s happening and what > the Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of > the infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that > strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts. > Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a > larger strategy. To deny that is simply ignorance. > > > > One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying > was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for > security reasons. China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of > patents and gave it to key industries. I don’t believe Japan is doing that > any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask > Catepillar. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat... > > > > The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.....Mimosa now has a > team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems > are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America. > > > > > > Stay fearful my friend. > > > > :) > > > > Regards > > > > Faisal > > > > Sent from Mobile Device > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Rory Conaway > > Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I > think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, > either hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is > based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is > whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only > Patrick Leary can answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Gotta love these conversations... > > > > What was the original topic ? > > > > Ahhh... Baicells.... a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in > the WISP Market Space.... who is just starting to establish themselves in > the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the > Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put > together..... > > > > To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese > Company would be a mistake.... I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and > the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make > some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating > in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me... > > > > I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP > futures ahead !.... Time to grow up into serious operators ! > > > > > > :) > > > > Best of Luck Everyone ! > > > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed. > > On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. > > > > From: Josh Reynolds > > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Define module? > > On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco > had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for > the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance > contract just so you can upgrade the SW. > > > > What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are > probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same > factory. > > > > > > From: Bruce Robertson > > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I *never* *ever* did that........................... > > On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and > registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more > expensive routers we deployed.... hmmm???? > > > > From: Eric Kuhnke > > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of > telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling > telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: > > > > > > 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to > buy it from Dubai. > > 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear > into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up > with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how > to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN > traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered > media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the > Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to > reach Iranians. There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, > Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More communication with the outside world is good. > > http://www.radiofarda.com/ > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet > snooping and repression, right? > > On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 > > > > Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and > not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a > little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that > is clearly Huawei. > > > > > > From: Mike Hammett > > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by > any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do > those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in > line with things the government as a whole says or does? > > You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit > put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was > later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used > in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? > > I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" > in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They > have an incredible amount of data and control. > > What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid > shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was > caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors > in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our > own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process? > > I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done > shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating > that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while > simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government and its > employees. > > For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. > > On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of > the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This > person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. > > On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. Huawei > is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. > > > > Rory > > > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM > To: af > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > > > I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... you can > most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more > costly parts of doing LTE. > > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though. > First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of > money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a > little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the > specific "fellow" that they're talking about. > > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > > > > > > > > > !DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119! > > > > > > > > > > > >
