The lube and the uranium were funny, but it was the Q&A and comments that made it PURE GOLD. LMAO.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > Trump's not corrupt? He's padded the pockets of both parties so he could > have political backing on certain business ventures. He's replaced a lot of > his larger staffing ventures with H1-B workers. He's been involved in > almost 170 Federal lawsuits - most of which he's claimed extreme damages > for media attention and personal profit and more than a few (most) have > been thrown out even under a short examination. He's just as much a part of > the political system as any person up there. > > I feel we need changes too, but this is Trump for Trump, and nothing more. > O want to fix things not burn them down. > On Mar 21, 2016 8:00 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I didn’t say that the Chinese government has 99% of the companies under >> their thumb. However, they do in the areas of key technologies, solar, >> networking, cellular, and any company they discern to be critical to their >> military or economy. If they want to destroy a U.S. industry, they >> provide plenty of money from the government through the banks to the >> companies they deem critical to that effort. They destroyed many of our >> industries and we let them do it because out political class was either too >> corrupt or too stupid to realize what was happening, Solyndra being a good >> example. >> >> >> >> In the meantime, no company in this country has ever had their CEO killed >> for some government violation whereas you toe the line in China or you get >> killed or jailed. Hell, we don’t even convict them most of the time, no >> matter what laws they break, the banking crisis being a perfect example. >> Most of those CEO’s walked away and kept most of the money they stole (not >> paranoia, fact and easily provable). Even CEO’s involved in money >> laundering haven’t been touched for the most part. That is one of the >> criminal relationships between Wall Street and the Government that really >> needs to be cleaned up. The Justice Department needs to be independent of >> the President or any political party. Sadly, it’s not and the criminals >> just rotate through the White House. If you want the best reason that I’m >> voting for Trump, this is it. I hope his ego is enough to prove he isn’t >> corrupt. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz >> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 4:22 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------- >> >> But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access >> to that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government >> does it, then you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get >> everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, >> financing, and patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a >> country. Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s >> got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would >> have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact >> that keeps that information within a few companies through secret >> government relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule. And it >> also means in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop >> it when it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a >> specific company or person. Again, the difference between them and us. >> >> -------------------------- >> >> >> >> I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find >> the Gov of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the >> Chinese Gov has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated >> way (I am taking an implied position from your statement ) then you need >> to re-arrange your thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you. >> >> >> >> We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are >> trying to justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply >> tells me that you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining >> about. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are >> different. I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and >> you will find that even that much information is more than you ever wanted >> to know and scary as hell. >> >> >> >> Yes, canvas is different, and the paint colors are different, but the >> process of FUD is the same.... The world is a scary place if you want to be >> scared, and it is not scary at all if you don't have anything to be scared >> about ! >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Let me tell you something.. you should go and talk to migrants, of >> different types, from different places and you will see a very common >> pattern a Human Pattern emerge.. As I said earlier, I come from a family of >> Migrants, Three Generations of Migrants, the migration was done in/ from >> different parts of the world, and for different reasons... so granted my >> view on life is different.... >> >> >> >> I can tell you one thing, the FUD you are buying into, and sharing is not >> unique to this time, nor our nation, nor any other nation... because we >> have seen this time and time again ..... >> >> And that is the only reason why, I have a bit of an allergic reaction >> when someone lays it out in any forum...everytime I hear it or see it, I >> tell myself to walk away, but after a while it seeing it again and again it >> drags me back into such conversations as the one we are having now... >> >> >> >> What is interesting and ironic about the conversation we are having >> here, on this topic, is that I have the same conversations with the folks >> on the other side of the world, the only common element is FUD. >> >> >> >> That is why I think one has to choose how they live... >> >> >> >> Either ... Stay Fearful or Stay un-afraid my friend... >> >> No one knows what life's next turn will bring, it not about having to >> look over your shoulder, it is all about the attitude that you carry, and >> it really helps to learn from the past and broaden one's outlook ! >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 6:56:02 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> No, not at all. There is official government policy and there is stuff >> that goes on illegally or we are never told. For example, do you really >> think that there is a full firewall between the FBI, the NSA, and local law >> enforcement so they don’t get your personal information. Then we find out >> that even local law enforcement is collecting cell phone information. And >> there is a lot of really impressive drug busts that never get to court >> because local law-enforcement can only say “they got a tip from an >> anonymous source”. >> >> >> >> But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access >> to that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government >> does it, then you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get >> everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, >> financing, and patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a >> country. Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s >> got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would >> have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact >> that keeps that information within a few companies through secret >> government relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule. And it >> also means in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop >> it when it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a >> specific company or person. Again, the difference between them and us. >> >> >> >> Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are >> different. I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and >> you will find that even that much information is more than you ever wanted >> to know and scary as hell. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz >> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:16 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Rory, >> >> >> >> Are you that Naive to think and believe that our Country, the standards >> bearer of the Capitalistic system in the World, behaves in the best >> interest of the Gov and Or the People ? and not in the Best Interest of the >> Corporate Economic Engine that drives everything ? >> >> >> >> Dude, I am floored !.... >> >> >> >> (p.s THe folks on the other side of the world are very fast learners... >> they see and they copy... not just tech but behavior too !) >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35:17 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> Faisal, your analogy is not logical. Huawei stole the technology to >> create their company. I will not do business with thieves. Who you do >> business with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character >> and morality. >> >> >> >> As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about >> their strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and >> what we can and cannot detect. Until you really know what’s happening and >> what the Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, >> control of the infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei >> plays into that strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal >> beliefs, not facts. Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese >> military and is part of a larger strategy. To deny that is simply >> ignorance. >> >> >> >> One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States >> spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was >> done for security reasons. China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored >> thefts of patents and gave it to key industries. I don’t believe Japan is >> doing that any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, >> just ask Catepillar. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz >> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat... >> >> >> >> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.....Mimosa now has >> a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm >> Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America. >> >> >> >> >> >> Stay fearful my friend. >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Faisal >> >> >> >> Sent from Mobile Device >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> From: Rory Conaway >> >> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, >> I think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, >> either hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is >> based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is >> whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only >> Patrick Leary can answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Gotta love these conversations... >> >> >> >> What was the original topic ? >> >> >> >> Ahhh... Baicells.... a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance >> in the WISP Market Space.... who is just starting to establish themselves >> in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in >> the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being >> put together..... >> >> >> >> To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese >> Company would be a mistake.... I took a look at the Bio of the founders, >> and the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to >> make some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively >> participating in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot >> to me... >> >> >> >> I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP >> futures ahead !.... Time to grow up into serious operators ! >> >> >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> Best of Luck Everyone ! >> >> >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed. >> >> On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Define module? >> >> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if >> Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet >> contract for the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW >> maintenance contract just so you can upgrade the SW. >> >> >> >> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are >> probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the >> same factory. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Bruce Robertson <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> I *never* *ever* did that........................... >> >> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and >> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more >> expensive routers we deployed.... hmmm???? >> >> >> >> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of >> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling >> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: >> >> >> >> >> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way >> to buy it from Dubai. >> >> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear >> into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up >> with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how >> to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN >> traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered >> media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from >> the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying >> to reach Iranians. There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use >> Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More communication with the outside world >> is good. >> >> http://www.radiofarda.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >> internet snooping and repression, right? >> >> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >> >> >> >> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran >> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a >> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company >> that is clearly Huawei. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> *From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: >> Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has >> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? >> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% >> in line with things the government as a whole says or does? >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco >> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years >> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and >> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control. >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid >> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA >> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put >> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - >> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the >> process? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't >> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are >> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag >> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government >> and its employees. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> >> >> >> *On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" >> <[email protected]> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one >> of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. >> This person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a >> result. On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. >> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *Rory <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> >> >> >> *From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: >> Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells >> Interview <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... you >> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more >> costly parts of doing LTE. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie >> <[email protected]> wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >> though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a >> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, >> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the >> specific "fellow" that they're talking about. >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet >> Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> *!DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119! <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> >> >> >>
