David, its a deal.  I have 2 of the parabolic dishes in stock so i was going to 
test with the rockets but doing a test of both of them and a pair of mimosa b5s 
with some 3 foot dishes.



Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.


-------- Original message --------
From: David Kunat <[email protected]>
Date: 4/23/16 9:53 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

I've done nearLOS (shooting through 110 foot tall DENSE spruce trees (which 
really suck for nlos) off of the top of a 120 foot tower to a 70 foot tower and 
it was almost 5 miles. I got about 160 Mb which I though was amazing, BUT that 
was on a 40mhz channel. That was with 2 ft rocket dishes with the AF2X, I had 
it up for about 3 days during a school holiday. The 70ft tower was at a school, 
and on Tuesday when the kids came the 2.4 ghz was trashed, I got about 90Mb 
then with a 10ghz channel. The af2x has been sitting in boxes since then. I'd 
be happy to ship them to you so you can try it out, you pay shipping.

I don't think you will get your 150 or 200 Mbps, but worth a try if you can get 
some height.

David

On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Rory Conaway 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn't going to cut it although it may 
be my only option to start.  Field test time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.

From: Mathew Howard<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
something like that.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

From: Mathew Howard<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration


Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput (losing 
sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at half the 
frequency through trees? :P

Just seems like an odd tip.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What about a b5?
On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is what I 
need.  I don't have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up there to 
get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz.


Rory


From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration



200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?????

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a rig 
for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property.... 
So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...
On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Like 0?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 miles of 
trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?

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