Need to talk to Google or Facebook about getting a balloon or drone over the area.
From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 12:15 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If it was you... Yep current design has 6 MAS base stations with a few unlicensed 900 are repeater links....one site has two base stations....another has 4.....now with so many elevated tanks, we would make small cells to improve link budgets and coordinate spectrum usage. Right now if one of those two main sites failed they would be in trouble. They have a "broadcast" type system... they need a multi site network with redundant path$! On Jun 9, 2016 11:07 AM, "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> wrote: It sounds like there's plenty of money to play with, so I'd definitely do 11ghz wherever you can... but NLOS links running on 5 watt 900mhz radios could be difficult to replace (unless that's way over kill for what's actually needed). On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: They have 24/7/365 monitoring...they have generators and UPS back up up the wazoo. Key folks have cell and two way radio communication. Some sites have cellular routers as back up in case radio links fail. They are looking at fiber network electric Co has to possibly piggyback. On Jun 9, 2016 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> wrote: They don't like to hand over ownership On Jun 9, 2016 10:00 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]> wrote: Thats why I said subsidized. For that volume of subsidized cellular data nodes the cost per unit (hardware, and service) can be negotiated. Use ptp, ptmp to interconnect the low hanging fruit, cellular to handle the problem children(where service exists), data bank to offset extended consumption. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: For over 600 Wells, 50 pump stations, 15 boosters, 25 storm systems, 400 lift stations and 8 wastewater plants? On Jun 9, 2016 9:13 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]> wrote: Really, if its subsidized, depending on the actual current and realistic near term future bandwidth demands, a primarily bulk cellular data with on demand ptp and ptmp solution for gap fillers might be well worth looking into. Review the entire infrastructure and build some data banking locations to aggregate any non real time demand to off peak syncronization locations. owning a network is always ideal when conditions are ideal, but from the sounds of it, thats just not the case On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: I would recommend 11GHz for ptp...I would test the Cambium and Ubiquiti 900 since antennas are in place...but I am thinking of LTE MuMimo solutions as well.. with all the tanks they have I would reduce long links to closest one...right now most shoot to one tank....the original 1993 design is obsolete On Jun 9, 2016 8:07 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: Maybe 4.9 GHz LOS links between towers, and Cambium PMP450i and PTP450i in 900 MHz for the NLOS links? As long as they stick with cameras that have reasonable BW requirements. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 8:52 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If it was you... 4.9 is not a good option due to existing public safety links on both sides of border. The new PLCs from Allen Bradley are IP based as well other gear they are now using. Also heard they are considering cameras at Wells not just boosters and wastewater. On Jun 9, 2016 7:43 AM, "Cameron Crum" <[email protected]> wrote: If they have to have the data throughput then I'd tell them to go with 4.9 and leave the unlicensed guys alone. But, do they really need it? Is this like using a backhoe to dig a fence post hole? On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <[email protected]> wrote: Make sure the big ‘ol wall people want ends up blocking the RF? lol On Jun 8, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: While working at Storm Water site today, one of the water Co. SCADA guys came by... he discussed that they are looking at WiMax and also 4.9GHz to replace existing licensed 900mhz network for our 600 locations. They are using MDS SD9 radios for MAS and LEDR for ptp.... they want to move up to faster Ethernet based radios.... I listened and offered no comments....I was not about to tell them about WiMAX or that our sister city has over 200 4.9GHz links in operation since 2010...I have ideas of what I would do...Some background.... .many remote links are NLOS...easy to do with their existing 5 Watt licensed radios and APs on 150 Ft elevated tanks or mountain. ptp links are easy for most of east and lower valley because of tanks available and mountain locations....let's see what you gurus suggest....we are on border and it is very noisy in all bands. I mean all bands -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
