NDA’s in effect so can’t post specific numbers …
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: July 2, 2016 6:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent I agree, Cogent does not want a PNI they want to sell you their transit and don't care what you do with it, at least that is my experience. What type of bandwidth levels did you have to get to with them to be able to do a PNI? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: I would also like to point out that very few networks on this list (I'm surprised you are) would have the scale to peer with Cogent. I ws referring to using BGP communities to limit one's Cogent transit to their customers only. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:34:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent Not sure what there is to take advantage of … we prefer peering always over transit. PNI higher than public peering – pretty standard stuff for a lot of networks…. 75k or so routes from them on-net of which about 35k are “best route” against other peered route options to their customers. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: July 2, 2016 8:49 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent, given the scale of their network. <http://bgp.he.net/report/peers> http://bgp.he.net/report/peers <http://as-rank.caida.org/> http://as-rank.caida.org/ <http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/> http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/ ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and peered with them on PNI’s. The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic to be specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, I think it’s actually dropped some – but regardless it accounts for only 3% of our traffic in total …. Paul From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: July 2, 2016 2:04 AM To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent Cogent is great as long as you have another peer to balance out “issues”. They have a shitload of the internet as directly connected customers. -PK From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:44 PM To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent Location does make a big difference. I would in no way use them for a single upstream. For one, Cogent doesn't have the entire IPv6 Internet. They are great in a mix, especially if you have a route management platform or take only customer routes. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Jason McKemie" < <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 5:52:04 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Cogent Does anyone have experience with Cogent as a primary upstream? Good, bad, ugly? I assume the service location makes some difference as well. -Jason
