Ill add a little more here.  Cogent tends to bring some of their grief on 
themselves. Here in Indiana their rack used to be the worst, by far, in the 
carrier hotel.  You could not see the switches due to the fiber covering them.  
They would send out maintenance notices and then end up doing them two days 
early.

Cogent support is excellent. I do not like the fact you know how to get a sale 
person involved to turn up BGP or modify BGP.  PITA.

Network wise they have a solid network.  It’s like any other provider.  In 
today’s age everyone has problems.  For the money you can’t beat them.  
Performance is acceptable and not borderline, but again sometimes it depends on 
where you are. I would definitely recommend them as part of your blend.


Justin Wilson
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> On Jul 3, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Paul Stewart <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> It’s an old arrangement that hasn’t been reviewed in long time … and I’m fine 
> with that J  They used to publish their peering agreement but they don’t any 
> longer.  At the time, we met most of their requirements though (but not all)… 
>  
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: July 2, 2016 2:34 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>  
> I would also like to point out that very few networks on this list (I'm 
> surprised you are) would have the scale to peer with Cogent. I ws referring 
> to using BGP communities to limit one's Cogent transit to their customers 
> only.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Mike Hammett
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> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Paul Stewart" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:34:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
> 
> Not sure what there is to take advantage of … we prefer peering always over 
> transit.  PNI higher than public peering – pretty standard stuff for a lot of 
> networks….
>  
> 75k or so routes from them on-net of which about 35k are “best route” against 
> other peered route options to their customers.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: July 2, 2016 8:49 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>  
> I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent, given 
> the scale of their network.
> 
> http://bgp.he.net/report/peers <http://bgp.he.net/report/peers>
> http://as-rank.caida.org/ <http://as-rank.caida.org/>
> http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/ 
> <http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/>
> 
> 
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> Mike Hammett
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> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Paul Stewart" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
> 
> That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy 
> transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in 
> different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and 
> peered with them on PNI’s.  The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic 
> to be specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, I think it’s 
> actually dropped some – but regardless it accounts for only 3% of our traffic 
> in total ….
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Kranz
> Sent: July 2, 2016 2:04 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>  
> Cogent is great as long as you have another peer to balance out “issues”. 
> They have a shitload of the internet as directly connected customers. 
>  
> -PK
>  
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:44 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>  
> Location does make a big difference. I would in no way use them for a single 
> upstream. For one, Cogent doesn't have the entire IPv6 Internet. They are 
> great in a mix, especially if you have a route management platform or take 
> only customer routes.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
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> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 5:52:04 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cogent
> 
> Does anyone have experience with Cogent as a primary upstream? Good, bad, 
> ugly? I assume the service location makes some difference as well.
>  
> -Jason

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